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I'm a full adult (legally anyway) but I can't control everything I see on HN or Reddit or whatever when I'm passively scrolling; I for one am glad that there's

I'm a full adult (legally anyway) but I can't control everything I see on HN or Reddit or whatever when I'm passively scrolling; I for one am glad that there's giant teams of moderators curating the internet for me. I'll advocate for freedom of speech but I don't want to have to listen to everything.

dev0p 1y ago
Hard disagree. I would love for moderation to be opt-out, for example. I might not agree with moderator actions, so I would very much prefer to see an unfiltered HN instead of having someone else dictate what I am allowed to see or not. The same applies to other websites, especially Reddit. Alas, I have no choice in the matter, but I would very much prefer I did. While I understand some content HAS to be regulated (CSAM) doesn’t mean everything has to be, because inevitably that will devolve into the government policing wrongthink.
- cmrx64 1y ago
  enable showdead to see killed comments/articles on HN.
  - dev0p 1y ago
    Thank you!
  - account42 1y ago
    Unfortunately this doesn't let you reply to dead comments. Still better than hiding the wrongthink completely though.
    - cmrx64 1y ago
      i’ve browsed with showdead for over a decade and have vouched for exactly one comment. it’s usually just no-think.
balamatom 1y ago
>I'll advocate for freedom of speech but I don't want to have to listen to everything. Nobody is preventing you from filtering out at the client side whatever it is that you don't want to hear.
- kalaksi 1y ago
  And you just end up with poorly integrated moderation with extra steps when community starts cooperating to make it more efficient (e.g. maintaining filter lists). Or there's no effective moderation so people that want more curated content and better UX moderation-wise will move elsewhere. Nobody's forcing you to use moderated platforms either. That said, I think the showdead setting in HN is good to have, so you can still opt to see content that would otherwise be filtered.
  - account42 1y ago
    > Nobody's forcing you to use moderated platforms either. Except that's exactly what is happening when the "moderation" is mandated by law. Which is the topic of discussion here.
    - kalaksi 1y ago
      I think the GP was talking about usefulness of moderation in HN, Reddit, etc. in general. And parent was implying that filtering should exist only client-side (so no moderation by the platform), which I thought was unrealistic for some users that want moderation and who are then free to seek out more fitting platforms. But yes, in a world where "moderation" is mandated by law, there'd be no alternatives.

dev0p 1y ago

Hard disagree. I would love for moderation to be opt-out, for example. I might not agree with moderator actions, so I would very much prefer to see an unfiltered HN instead of having someone else dictate what I am allowed to see or not. The same applies to other websites, especially Reddit. Alas, I have no choice in the matter, but I would very much prefer I did. While I understand some content HAS to be regulated (CSAM) doesn’t mean everything has to be, because inevitably that will devolve into the government policing wrongthink.

cmrx64 1y ago
enable showdead to see killed comments/articles on HN.
- dev0p 1y ago
  Thank you!
- account42 1y ago
  Unfortunately this doesn't let you reply to dead comments. Still better than hiding the wrongthink completely though.
  - cmrx64 1y ago
    i’ve browsed with showdead for over a decade and have vouched for exactly one comment. it’s usually just no-think.

balamatom 1y ago

>I'll advocate for freedom of speech but I don't want to have to listen to everything. Nobody is preventing you from filtering out at the client side whatever it is that you don't want to hear.

kalaksi 1y ago
And you just end up with poorly integrated moderation with extra steps when community starts cooperating to make it more efficient (e.g. maintaining filter lists). Or there's no effective moderation so people that want more curated content and better UX moderation-wise will move elsewhere. Nobody's forcing you to use moderated platforms either. That said, I think the showdead setting in HN is good to have, so you can still opt to see content that would otherwise be filtered.
- account42 1y ago
  > Nobody's forcing you to use moderated platforms either. Except that's exactly what is happening when the "moderation" is mandated by law. Which is the topic of discussion here.
  - kalaksi 1y ago
    I think the GP was talking about usefulness of moderation in HN, Reddit, etc. in general. And parent was implying that filtering should exist only client-side (so no moderation by the platform), which I thought was unrealistic for some users that want moderation and who are then free to seek out more fitting platforms. But yes, in a world where "moderation" is mandated by law, there'd be no alternatives.