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Isn't this similar to what e.g. Instagram and co have done for ages? Even smartphones do it automatically for you, digital post-processing to compensate for the

Isn't this similar to what e.g. Instagram and co have done for ages? Even smartphones do it automatically for you, digital post-processing to compensate for the limitations of the cameras.

Frieren 1y ago
> Even smartphones do it automatically for you, digital post-processing to compensate for the limitations of the cameras. The level of post-processing matters. There is a difference between color grading an image and removing wrinkles from a face. The line is not cut clear but these companies are pushing the boundaries so we get used to fake imagery. That is not good.
- gruez 1y ago
  >There is a difference between color grading an image and removing wrinkles from a face. You're implying the latter doesn't happen normally but denoising (which basically every smartphone camera does) often has the effect of removing details like wrinkles. The effect is especially pronounced in low light settings, where noise is the highest.
  - Frieren 1y ago
    > but denoising (which basically every smartphone camera does) often has the effect of removing details like wrinkles. I do not get the argument of "if nothing happens when an ant bites you then I can shot you with a cannon be cause it is the same thing just larger". The impact on society matters for me, and it is very different. Justifying AI at any cost is a marketing strategy that will hurt us long-term.
    - gruez 1y ago
      >I do not get the argument of "if nothing happens when an ant bites you then I can shot you with a cannon be cause it is the same thing just larger". this argument fails because at least in the examples provided, it's closer to the non-gen ai denoising/upscaling algorithms than telling chatgpt to upscale an image. >The impact on society matters for me, and it is very different. Justifying AI at any cost is a marketing strategy that will hurt us long-term. There's no indication it's AI, except some vague references to "machine learning".
ricardobeat 1y ago
I’ve been using Instagram since the beginning and don’t think it has ever applied any kind of filter or AI upscaling, unrequested. Maybe you’re thinking of TikTok and samsung facial smoothing filters? Those are a lot more subtle and can be turned off.
dagi3d 1y ago
there is a "subtle" difference: acknowledgement and consent
- npteljes 1y ago
  There is barely any acknowledgement and consent on the phone's part too, so the difference is not there in this regard.

Isn't this similar to what e.g. Instagram and co have done for ages? Even smartphones do it automatically for you, digital post-processing to compensate for the limitations of the cameras.

Frieren 1y ago

> Even smartphones do it automatically for you, digital post-processing to compensate for the limitations of the cameras. The level of post-processing matters. There is a difference between color grading an image and removing wrinkles from a face. The line is not cut clear but these companies are pushing the boundaries so we get used to fake imagery. That is not good.

gruez 1y ago
>There is a difference between color grading an image and removing wrinkles from a face. You're implying the latter doesn't happen normally but denoising (which basically every smartphone camera does) often has the effect of removing details like wrinkles. The effect is especially pronounced in low light settings, where noise is the highest.
- Frieren 1y ago
  > but denoising (which basically every smartphone camera does) often has the effect of removing details like wrinkles. I do not get the argument of "if nothing happens when an ant bites you then I can shot you with a cannon be cause it is the same thing just larger". The impact on society matters for me, and it is very different. Justifying AI at any cost is a marketing strategy that will hurt us long-term.
  - gruez 1y ago
    >I do not get the argument of "if nothing happens when an ant bites you then I can shot you with a cannon be cause it is the same thing just larger". this argument fails because at least in the examples provided, it's closer to the non-gen ai denoising/upscaling algorithms than telling chatgpt to upscale an image. >The impact on society matters for me, and it is very different. Justifying AI at any cost is a marketing strategy that will hurt us long-term. There's no indication it's AI, except some vague references to "machine learning".

ricardobeat 1y ago

I’ve been using Instagram since the beginning and don’t think it has ever applied any kind of filter or AI upscaling, unrequested. Maybe you’re thinking of TikTok and samsung facial smoothing filters? Those are a lot more subtle and can be turned off.

dagi3d 1y ago

there is a "subtle" difference: acknowledgement and consent

npteljes 1y ago
There is barely any acknowledgement and consent on the phone's part too, so the difference is not there in this regard.