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I suspect that in some places they might start requiring ID when purchasing large volumes of storage. "Only a criminal would need 10 terabytes of storage!" So

I suspect that in some places they might start requiring ID when purchasing large volumes of storage. "Only a criminal would need 10 terabytes of storage!" Something stupid like that.

nmz 1y ago
Thankfully streaming video games never took off, otherwise we couldn't really use that excuse.
sneak 1y ago
I got casually questioned by the clerk in Berlin Mitte last month when buying 20x 20TB drives for cash. “Industrial-scale piracy” is what I told him, truthfully. I think he thought I was joking. Pretty soon it’ll only be hyperscalers or large enterprises that have data storage. You’ll have the 4TB max in your phone or laptop and that’ll be it.
- Pxtl 1y ago
  I'm always disappointed that the geometric growth in spinning magnet disks slowed - if the growth curve from the '80s to 2010 had continued to today we'd have petabyte HDDs now.
- SlowTao 1y ago
  Apple hearing they have an excuse not to add more storage, cue happy shareholder noises
- throwaway2037 1y ago
  I don't get it. What do you need 400TB of storage for? (To be clear: I am not saying that you should not be allowed to buy it.) I assume this is for personal use. I struggle to generate more than a few hundred MBs per year. Isn't the era of music and video piracy hoarding over after Spotify and Netflix went mainstream in most highly developed nations? Also: Why did you pay cash, in the center of Berlin, Germany? Even if you are paying rock bottom used prices around 100 EUR, why carry 2,000+ EUR in cash?
  - cesarb 1y ago
    > I struggle to generate more than a few hundred MBs per year. You must not work with video. Even with photography, a single raw photo can already use tens of megabytes (source: just looked at a raw photo file I happened to have around). A single raw video (or even a single already edited video) uses even more. Now consider that you need at least twice that for redundancy (RAID-1 at the minimum). If you use things like Ceph for speed and redundancy, it's AFAIK recommended to have at least four separate nodes, each with its own storage.
  - diggan 1y ago
    > I struggle to generate more than a few hundred MBs per year There are so many (legal) use cases for TBs of space... Photography, video editing, 3D graphics, 3D simulations (think VFX explosions, destruction), ML/AI, Dataset curation/archiving, backups, doing Rust development (each target/ directory ends up being GB large usually), and so on. Some weeks ago GPT-OSS was released, so I wanted to play around with the 120b weights, they take ~60GB of disk space already. Imagine that same thing every time new open weights are released, and you end up with +TB large collection relatively quickly. > Isn't the era of music and video piracy hoarding over after Spotify and Netflix went mainstream in most highly developed nations Seems to me like the reverse. I have more and more friends asking me about how to setup self-hosting for music, tv-shows and movies, especially when Netflix et al do their monthly purge of content and some friend noticed their favorite show/music is suddenly gone because some contract with a 3rd party expired.
  - sneak 1y ago
    I always carry at least that much cash on me. You never know when you might need to flee a collapsing country on short notice or bribe a cop. https://sneak.berlin/20191119/your-money-isnt-yours/ https://sneak.berlin/20191119/your-money-isnt-yours/ Can’t do that with your debit card. In my view it is irresponsible to not carry on your person at all times your passport and enough money for a week of food and hotel and a plane ticket to the country of passport issuance. Carrying a card introduces working internet as a dependency for food and shelter, which is stupid and unnecessary. Also, card payments are warrantlessly tracked at all times by the state, creating a location tracklog of where you go and when you go there.
- addandsubtract 1y ago
  Who is your HDD dealer? Hmu. Do we have HDD taxis yet?
sockbot 1y ago
It sounds just as unfair as including a levy on blank CDs paid to music copyright holders, regardless of how the CDs are used. But being unfair doesn't mean it can't happen in your country.
- throawayonthe 1y ago
  holy shit it's real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy
  - ipaddr 1y ago
    Which then allows you to download without being sued because you already paid.
    - moefh 1y ago
      No, it doesn't. From that Wikipedia entry: > A common misconception is that levies are compensation for illegal copying such as file sharing. This is incorrect, however, levies are only intended to compensate for private copying that is legally allowed in many jurisdictions. For example, uploading a purchased CD on to another personal device such as a laptop or MP3 player. "Private copying" is generally allowed under copyright law -- except that under DMCA, it's only allowed if you're not circumventing DRM. So for example, you can legally make a private copy of a CD, but not a Blu-ray disc.
      - dragonwriter 1y ago
        > "Private copying" is making private copies of is generally allowed under copyright law - Private copying is not generally allowed, but private copying levies tend to be adopted alongside specific exceptions for certain cases of private copying in the copyright law of the jurisdiction adopting them (e.g., in the US, those in the Audio Home Recording Act.)
        moefh 1y ago
hooskerdu 1y ago
Back in another life (videography), I had acquaintances who would throw looks when they heard I’d purchased a single terabyte. Seems that narrative might already be - at least mildly -pervasive.
deleted 1y ago
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I suspect that in some places they might start requiring ID when purchasing large volumes of storage. "Only a criminal would need 10 terabytes of storage!" Something stupid like that.

nmz 1y ago

Thankfully streaming video games never took off, otherwise we couldn't really use that excuse.

sneak 1y ago

I got casually questioned by the clerk in Berlin Mitte last month when buying 20x 20TB drives for cash. “Industrial-scale piracy” is what I told him, truthfully. I think he thought I was joking. Pretty soon it’ll only be hyperscalers or large enterprises that have data storage. You’ll have the 4TB max in your phone or laptop and that’ll be it.

Pxtl 1y ago
I'm always disappointed that the geometric growth in spinning magnet disks slowed - if the growth curve from the '80s to 2010 had continued to today we'd have petabyte HDDs now.
SlowTao 1y ago
Apple hearing they have an excuse not to add more storage, cue happy shareholder noises
throwaway2037 1y ago
I don't get it. What do you need 400TB of storage for? (To be clear: I am not saying that you should not be allowed to buy it.) I assume this is for personal use. I struggle to generate more than a few hundred MBs per year. Isn't the era of music and video piracy hoarding over after Spotify and Netflix went mainstream in most highly developed nations? Also: Why did you pay cash, in the center of Berlin, Germany? Even if you are paying rock bottom used prices around 100 EUR, why carry 2,000+ EUR in cash?
- cesarb 1y ago
  > I struggle to generate more than a few hundred MBs per year. You must not work with video. Even with photography, a single raw photo can already use tens of megabytes (source: just looked at a raw photo file I happened to have around). A single raw video (or even a single already edited video) uses even more. Now consider that you need at least twice that for redundancy (RAID-1 at the minimum). If you use things like Ceph for speed and redundancy, it's AFAIK recommended to have at least four separate nodes, each with its own storage.
- diggan 1y ago
  > I struggle to generate more than a few hundred MBs per year There are so many (legal) use cases for TBs of space... Photography, video editing, 3D graphics, 3D simulations (think VFX explosions, destruction), ML/AI, Dataset curation/archiving, backups, doing Rust development (each target/ directory ends up being GB large usually), and so on. Some weeks ago GPT-OSS was released, so I wanted to play around with the 120b weights, they take ~60GB of disk space already. Imagine that same thing every time new open weights are released, and you end up with +TB large collection relatively quickly. > Isn't the era of music and video piracy hoarding over after Spotify and Netflix went mainstream in most highly developed nations Seems to me like the reverse. I have more and more friends asking me about how to setup self-hosting for music, tv-shows and movies, especially when Netflix et al do their monthly purge of content and some friend noticed their favorite show/music is suddenly gone because some contract with a 3rd party expired.
- sneak 1y ago
  I always carry at least that much cash on me. You never know when you might need to flee a collapsing country on short notice or bribe a cop. https://sneak.berlin/20191119/your-money-isnt-yours/ https://sneak.berlin/20191119/your-money-isnt-yours/ Can’t do that with your debit card. In my view it is irresponsible to not carry on your person at all times your passport and enough money for a week of food and hotel and a plane ticket to the country of passport issuance. Carrying a card introduces working internet as a dependency for food and shelter, which is stupid and unnecessary. Also, card payments are warrantlessly tracked at all times by the state, creating a location tracklog of where you go and when you go there.
addandsubtract 1y ago
Who is your HDD dealer? Hmu. Do we have HDD taxis yet?

sockbot 1y ago

It sounds just as unfair as including a levy on blank CDs paid to music copyright holders, regardless of how the CDs are used. But being unfair doesn't mean it can't happen in your country.

throawayonthe 1y ago
holy shit it's real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy
- ipaddr 1y ago
  Which then allows you to download without being sued because you already paid.
  - moefh 1y ago
    No, it doesn't. From that Wikipedia entry: > A common misconception is that levies are compensation for illegal copying such as file sharing. This is incorrect, however, levies are only intended to compensate for private copying that is legally allowed in many jurisdictions. For example, uploading a purchased CD on to another personal device such as a laptop or MP3 player. "Private copying" is generally allowed under copyright law -- except that under DMCA, it's only allowed if you're not circumventing DRM. So for example, you can legally make a private copy of a CD, but not a Blu-ray disc.
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > "Private copying" is making private copies of is generally allowed under copyright law - Private copying is not generally allowed, but private copying levies tend to be adopted alongside specific exceptions for certain cases of private copying in the copyright law of the jurisdiction adopting them (e.g., in the US, those in the Audio Home Recording Act.)
      - moefh 1y ago

hooskerdu 1y ago

Back in another life (videography), I had acquaintances who would throw looks when they heard I’d purchased a single terabyte. Seems that narrative might already be - at least mildly -pervasive.

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