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I look forward to the current us admin forcing the uk to very publicly walk this back. Their motivation will have nothing to do with defending free speech, but

I look forward to the current us admin forcing the uk to very publicly walk this back. Their motivation will have nothing to do with defending free speech, but an enemy of my enemy IS my friend.

croes 1y ago
But the predator of your predator isn’t your protector, just a bigger predator. The current US administration isn’t pro free speech, they just use other tools to prevent it. UK uses laws, US uses money respectively the lack of money for you if your speech doesn’t suit them. US free speech has a price tag.
- _carbyau_ 1y ago
  > But the predator of your predator isn’t your protector, just a bigger predator. That line sounds like the start of a counter to "Won't somebody think of the children."
lupusreal 1y ago
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- bediger4000 1y ago
  Hard disagree. Trump can apparently be bribed. This could be solved by a discrete transfer of cryptocurrency to a specific Maltese or Transnistrian wallet.
  - wmf 1y ago
    I don't know if 4chan can afford to bribe Trump and they might be better off taking the martyr approach. Being banned in the UK adds some cachet.
  - lupusreal 1y ago
    Just how much revenue do you think 4chan gets, from the UK of all places? I can't imagine this being worth a bribe to Hiro.
    - bediger4000 1y ago
      I'm not sure what size bribes the current administration takes. I'm sure that in some situations haggling takes place. Trump, as a professed Christian, could possibly take a "widow's mites" approach to a bribe from 4chan.
      - lupusreal 1y ago
        If anything, it is in 4chan's interest to be banned by UK ISPs since this will induce the sale of a few more passes, which permit posting from VPNs. Anyway, 4chan barely keeps the lights on as it is. Worrying about 4chan bribing politicians is absurd. Either politicians will help 4chan out of some sense of self-interest, or they won't help at all.
        filoleg 1y ago
        > If anything, it is in 4chan's interest to be banned by UK ISPs since this will induce the sale of a few more passes, which permit posting from VPNs. I sense a bit of a flaw in this strategy, given that 4chan being banned in UK would presumably block any payments for passes from UK-origin banks/cards made to 4chan bank accounts as well.
        lupusreal 1y ago
        4chan no longer accepts any such payment anyway. They only take crypto through coinbase.
cyanydeez 1y ago
The us is on a parallel track You will be underwhelmed.
ecocentrik 1y ago
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- DaSHacka 1y ago
  Sounds like their parents outta start doing their job, then.
  - immibis 1y ago
    This is a thought-terminating cliche.
    - DaSHacka 1y ago
      Still a better alternative than censoring the entire internet because its not inherently safe for children.
      - immibis 1y ago
        Thought-terminating cloches are not a better alternative to anything.
        DaSHacka 1y ago
        What is a "thought-terminating cloche"?
basisword 1y ago
>> I look forward to the current us admin forcing the uk to very publicly walk this back He'll need to start first with taking action at home. Florida and I believe Texas have also implemented age restrictions for various websites and did so before the UK. So maybe they're not your friend.
krona 1y ago
S.1748 - Kids Online Safety Act[1] is working its way through and as I understand it has fairly broad support. There may be significant differences between KOSA and OSA in their implementation but they are the same in essence. [1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/1748 https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/174...
- thorncorona 1y ago
  Honestly from the summary this seems pretty.. reasonable?
  - whatshisface 1y ago
    If the limitations on conducting A/B tests on people under 13 are enforced, you will need a driver's license to connect to the internet, and you will need to show it to every website.
    - opan 1y ago
      Surely a state ID is enough, right? I know at least 3 legal adults in my circles alone without a driver's license, though I believe they all have either a state ID or permit. (Not that I support requiring any sort of meatspace identification for acting in cyberspace).
    - chmod775 1y ago
      Companies don't need A/B tests to tell them that requiring a driver's license is going to hurt conversions more than no more A/B tests.
  - crooked-v 1y ago
    What the summary leaves out is that elements of it like 'harm to minors' have loopholes you could drive a truck through. It's designed to allow arbitrary censorship of wrongthink with 'think of the children' as cover.
  - jaimex2 1y ago
monkey_monkey 1y ago
You're joking right? https://bsky.social/about/blog/08-22-2025-mississippi-hb1126 https://bsky.social/about/blog/08-22-2025-mississippi-hb1126 Mississpi is a pretty Republican state and has enacted even more stringent and privacy-invasive laws.
- dmix 1y ago
  Mississippi is forcing wikipedia, 4chan, a ton of other sites to have ID uploads?

I look forward to the current us admin forcing the uk to very publicly walk this back. Their motivation will have nothing to do with defending free speech, but an enemy of my enemy IS my friend.

croes 1y ago

But the predator of your predator isn’t your protector, just a bigger predator. The current US administration isn’t pro free speech, they just use other tools to prevent it. UK uses laws, US uses money respectively the lack of money for you if your speech doesn’t suit them. US free speech has a price tag.

_carbyau_ 1y ago
> But the predator of your predator isn’t your protector, just a bigger predator. That line sounds like the start of a counter to "Won't somebody think of the children."

lupusreal 1y ago

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bediger4000 1y ago
Hard disagree. Trump can apparently be bribed. This could be solved by a discrete transfer of cryptocurrency to a specific Maltese or Transnistrian wallet.
- wmf 1y ago
  I don't know if 4chan can afford to bribe Trump and they might be better off taking the martyr approach. Being banned in the UK adds some cachet.
- lupusreal 1y ago
  Just how much revenue do you think 4chan gets, from the UK of all places? I can't imagine this being worth a bribe to Hiro.
  - bediger4000 1y ago
    I'm not sure what size bribes the current administration takes. I'm sure that in some situations haggling takes place. Trump, as a professed Christian, could possibly take a "widow's mites" approach to a bribe from 4chan.
    - lupusreal 1y ago
      If anything, it is in 4chan's interest to be banned by UK ISPs since this will induce the sale of a few more passes, which permit posting from VPNs. Anyway, 4chan barely keeps the lights on as it is. Worrying about 4chan bribing politicians is absurd. Either politicians will help 4chan out of some sense of self-interest, or they won't help at all.
      - filoleg 1y ago
        > If anything, it is in 4chan's interest to be banned by UK ISPs since this will induce the sale of a few more passes, which permit posting from VPNs. I sense a bit of a flaw in this strategy, given that 4chan being banned in UK would presumably block any payments for passes from UK-origin banks/cards made to 4chan bank accounts as well.
        lupusreal 1y ago
        4chan no longer accepts any such payment anyway. They only take crypto through coinbase.

cyanydeez 1y ago

The us is on a parallel track You will be underwhelmed.

ecocentrik 1y ago

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DaSHacka 1y ago
Sounds like their parents outta start doing their job, then.
- immibis 1y ago
  This is a thought-terminating cliche.
  - DaSHacka 1y ago
    Still a better alternative than censoring the entire internet because its not inherently safe for children.
    - immibis 1y ago
      Thought-terminating cloches are not a better alternative to anything.
      - DaSHacka 1y ago
        What is a "thought-terminating cloche"?

basisword 1y ago

>> I look forward to the current us admin forcing the uk to very publicly walk this back He'll need to start first with taking action at home. Florida and I believe Texas have also implemented age restrictions for various websites and did so before the UK. So maybe they're not your friend.

krona 1y ago

S.1748 - Kids Online Safety Act[1] is working its way through and as I understand it has fairly broad support. There may be significant differences between KOSA and OSA in their implementation but they are the same in essence. [1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/1748 https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/174...

thorncorona 1y ago
Honestly from the summary this seems pretty.. reasonable?
- whatshisface 1y ago
  If the limitations on conducting A/B tests on people under 13 are enforced, you will need a driver's license to connect to the internet, and you will need to show it to every website.
  - opan 1y ago
    Surely a state ID is enough, right? I know at least 3 legal adults in my circles alone without a driver's license, though I believe they all have either a state ID or permit. (Not that I support requiring any sort of meatspace identification for acting in cyberspace).
  - chmod775 1y ago
    Companies don't need A/B tests to tell them that requiring a driver's license is going to hurt conversions more than no more A/B tests.
- crooked-v 1y ago
  What the summary leaves out is that elements of it like 'harm to minors' have loopholes you could drive a truck through. It's designed to allow arbitrary censorship of wrongthink with 'think of the children' as cover.
- jaimex2 1y ago

monkey_monkey 1y ago

You're joking right? https://bsky.social/about/blog/08-22-2025-mississippi-hb1126 https://bsky.social/about/blog/08-22-2025-mississippi-hb1126 Mississpi is a pretty Republican state and has enacted even more stringent and privacy-invasive laws.

dmix 1y ago
Mississippi is forcing wikipedia, 4chan, a ton of other sites to have ID uploads?