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CPI energy prices have risen for the last 10 years steadily, and is now going parabolic. Maybe some forms of green energy have helped in some areas and times o

CPI energy prices have risen for the last 10 years steadily, and is now going parabolic. Maybe some forms of green energy have helped in some areas and times of day, but they have done nothing to stop the climb. It's time to try something other than solar and wind, which are demonstrably not lowering energy prices, and may be making it worse (TOU energy plans are becoming the norm because of the broken duty cycle of solar)

bryanlarsen 1y ago
The price of a commodity is the marginal cost. The marginal electricity provider in the US is natgas.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> CPI energy prices What does this mean? > solar and wind, which are demonstrably not lowering energy prices Why would the government intervening to ban supply make things better? This policy is a hand-out to power producers. It constricts supply. It’s Trump copying San Francisco and Los Angeles housing policymakers, except for energy.
softwaredoug 1y ago
If you want to lower costs, why would you prevent the easiest to deploy form of supply? Why would you prevent the market from meeting the demand? This isn’t about subsidies, it’s about standing in the way of the free market. And why do you think cost relates to a form of supply? It seems more likely that demand is also much higher (data centers, more air conditioning, etc).
wat10000 1y ago
Why put the blame on renewables instead of on fossil fuels, which have been the majority for that entire time?
- wat9999 1y ago
  > Why put the blame on renewables instead of on fossil fuels, which have been the majority for that entire time? I can't even begin to understand your logic here.
  - wat10000 1y ago
    They seem to be blaming renewables for rising electricity prices just because they’re there. My point is that fossil fuels account for far more generation, so if you’re going to blame stuff based on their mere presence, blaming fossil fuels makes more sense.
rtkwe 1y ago
It hasn't lowered it because tech keeps inventing new ways to burn hideous amounts of power; first it was crypto mining on PoW chains now it's AI training. Renewables aren't the problem.

bryanlarsen 1y ago

The price of a commodity is the marginal cost. The marginal electricity provider in the US is natgas.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> CPI energy prices What does this mean? > solar and wind, which are demonstrably not lowering energy prices Why would the government intervening to ban supply make things better? This policy is a hand-out to power producers. It constricts supply. It’s Trump copying San Francisco and Los Angeles housing policymakers, except for energy.

softwaredoug 1y ago

If you want to lower costs, why would you prevent the easiest to deploy form of supply? Why would you prevent the market from meeting the demand? This isn’t about subsidies, it’s about standing in the way of the free market. And why do you think cost relates to a form of supply? It seems more likely that demand is also much higher (data centers, more air conditioning, etc).

wat10000 1y ago

Why put the blame on renewables instead of on fossil fuels, which have been the majority for that entire time?

wat9999 1y ago
> Why put the blame on renewables instead of on fossil fuels, which have been the majority for that entire time? I can't even begin to understand your logic here.
- wat10000 1y ago
  They seem to be blaming renewables for rising electricity prices just because they’re there. My point is that fossil fuels account for far more generation, so if you’re going to blame stuff based on their mere presence, blaming fossil fuels makes more sense.

rtkwe 1y ago

It hasn't lowered it because tech keeps inventing new ways to burn hideous amounts of power; first it was crypto mining on PoW chains now it's AI training. Renewables aren't the problem.