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Ok now do the part where lisp is actually used for any remotely useful project today...

by almostgotcaught 1y ago

reikonomusha 1y ago
https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies
- almostgotcaught 1y ago
  Lololol > ITA Software by Google Airfare search engine and airline scheduling software. Cambridge, MA. Common Lisp is used for the core flight search engine. The larger Flights project is roughly equal parts CL, C++, and Java. Read the last sentence AND this company got acquired by Google like 15 years ago. So ya my question still stands.
  - BowBun 1y ago
    > Ok now do the part where lisp is actually used for any remotely useful project today... > So ya my question still stands. That list has 100 companies using lisp today. Were you actually asking if any new companies write in Lisp? Cuz those exist as well - in the same list... Not sure you know what your own question is!
    - almostgotcaught 1y ago
      > That list has 100 companies using lisp today https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spot_checking_sources https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spot_checking_sour...
      - BowBun 1y ago
        Ah yes big lisp propaganda out there trying to convince you of the lie
        almostgotcaught 1y ago
        Don't understand what this has to do with my point - do you think you're supposed to only verify "propaganda" sources?
        BowBun 1y ago
        Not surprising! You didn't make any point you just posted a link to a wikipedia page. Again, sources were posted and you cherry-picked one that still confirmed what you asked about. Nw you're doubling down/moving goalposts. Real companies use lisp, in 2025. It's not that big of a deal.
  - reikonomusha 1y ago
    You asked where Lisp is useful, and I supplied a list of companies that find (or, in some cases of recent history, found) Lisp useful. Your Google example is pertinent, because Google had the resources to wholesale eliminate its use of Lisp any time within the last 15 years, but for some reason worth pondering, hasn't. Instead, they continue to develop the product in Lisp, and continue to contribute to the Common Lisp open-source ecosystem. But that aside, if you want a fresh look at what people are thinking about with Lisp, maybe check out the talks that were given this year at the 2025 European Lisp Symposium [1,2]. Or perhaps look at how someone shipped a platformer game on Steam with Common Lisp [3,4], and is in the finishing lap porting it to the Nintendo Switch [5]. I realize, though, that this kind of "debate" (?) is never satisfying to the instigator. If it does satisfy though, I will agree with you that—despite all of the claims of alleged productivity and power the language offers—Common Lisp remains far less popular than Python, which I assume is your only real point here. [1] A presentation about how adding a static type system to Common Lisp à la Haskell helps write mission critical programs in defense and quantum computing: https://youtu.be/of92m4XNgrM https://youtu.be/of92m4XNgrM [2] A talk from employees of Keepit, a company that supplies a SaaS backup service, discussed how they train people on Common Lisp when employing them: https://youtu.be/UCxy1tvsjMs?t=66m51s https://youtu.be/UCxy1tvsjMs?t=66m51s [3] Discusses technical details of how Lisp was used to implement a game that was actually shipped: https://reader.tymoon.eu/article/413 https://reader.tymoon.eu/article/413 [4] The actual game that you can buy: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1261430/Kandria/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1261430/Kandria/ (This is not intended to be an advertisement and I'm unaffiliated. It's just a demonstration of a recently "shipped" product written in Common Lisp where you might not expect it.) [5] Technical discussion of the Nintendo Switch port: https://youtu.be/kiMmo0yWGKI?t=113m20s https://youtu.be/kiMmo0yWGKI?t=113m20s
diggan 1y ago
> remotely useful project Such a wide net though, what exactly constitutes a "remotely useful project" in your mind? Maybe if we figure out what the exact requirements are, we'll be able to help you with your search :)
srcreigh 1y ago
This site is written in lisp
jjrh 1y ago
Emacs is one. Naughty Dog used a lisp for Jak and Daxter. Shows up in CAD software.

Ok now do the part where lisp is actually used for any remotely useful project today...

reikonomusha 1y ago

https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies

almostgotcaught 1y ago
Lololol > ITA Software by Google Airfare search engine and airline scheduling software. Cambridge, MA. Common Lisp is used for the core flight search engine. The larger Flights project is roughly equal parts CL, C++, and Java. Read the last sentence AND this company got acquired by Google like 15 years ago. So ya my question still stands.
- BowBun 1y ago
  > Ok now do the part where lisp is actually used for any remotely useful project today... > So ya my question still stands. That list has 100 companies using lisp today. Were you actually asking if any new companies write in Lisp? Cuz those exist as well - in the same list... Not sure you know what your own question is!
  - almostgotcaught 1y ago
    > That list has 100 companies using lisp today https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spot_checking_sources https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spot_checking_sour...
    - BowBun 1y ago
      Ah yes big lisp propaganda out there trying to convince you of the lie
      - almostgotcaught 1y ago
        Don't understand what this has to do with my point - do you think you're supposed to only verify "propaganda" sources?
        BowBun 1y ago
        Not surprising! You didn't make any point you just posted a link to a wikipedia page. Again, sources were posted and you cherry-picked one that still confirmed what you asked about. Nw you're doubling down/moving goalposts. Real companies use lisp, in 2025. It's not that big of a deal.
- reikonomusha 1y ago
  You asked where Lisp is useful, and I supplied a list of companies that find (or, in some cases of recent history, found) Lisp useful. Your Google example is pertinent, because Google had the resources to wholesale eliminate its use of Lisp any time within the last 15 years, but for some reason worth pondering, hasn't. Instead, they continue to develop the product in Lisp, and continue to contribute to the Common Lisp open-source ecosystem. But that aside, if you want a fresh look at what people are thinking about with Lisp, maybe check out the talks that were given this year at the 2025 European Lisp Symposium [1,2]. Or perhaps look at how someone shipped a platformer game on Steam with Common Lisp [3,4], and is in the finishing lap porting it to the Nintendo Switch [5]. I realize, though, that this kind of "debate" (?) is never satisfying to the instigator. If it does satisfy though, I will agree with you that—despite all of the claims of alleged productivity and power the language offers—Common Lisp remains far less popular than Python, which I assume is your only real point here. [1] A presentation about how adding a static type system to Common Lisp à la Haskell helps write mission critical programs in defense and quantum computing: https://youtu.be/of92m4XNgrM https://youtu.be/of92m4XNgrM [2] A talk from employees of Keepit, a company that supplies a SaaS backup service, discussed how they train people on Common Lisp when employing them: https://youtu.be/UCxy1tvsjMs?t=66m51s https://youtu.be/UCxy1tvsjMs?t=66m51s [3] Discusses technical details of how Lisp was used to implement a game that was actually shipped: https://reader.tymoon.eu/article/413 https://reader.tymoon.eu/article/413 [4] The actual game that you can buy: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1261430/Kandria/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1261430/Kandria/ (This is not intended to be an advertisement and I'm unaffiliated. It's just a demonstration of a recently "shipped" product written in Common Lisp where you might not expect it.) [5] Technical discussion of the Nintendo Switch port: https://youtu.be/kiMmo0yWGKI?t=113m20s https://youtu.be/kiMmo0yWGKI?t=113m20s

diggan 1y ago

> remotely useful project Such a wide net though, what exactly constitutes a "remotely useful project" in your mind? Maybe if we figure out what the exact requirements are, we'll be able to help you with your search :)

srcreigh 1y ago

This site is written in lisp

jjrh 1y ago

Emacs is one. Naughty Dog used a lisp for Jak and Daxter. Shows up in CAD software.