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> metal/glass straws are inconvenient and require washing Boohoo. Don't use a straw then. Out of the billions of beverages consumed during the last 24 hours, i

by jjani 1y ago

> metal/glass straws are inconvenient and require washing Boohoo. Don't use a straw then. Out of the billions of beverages consumed during the last 24 hours, it's a given that >95% were consumed without one. It's also of course an entirely arbitrary line to draw. Are all your plates and bowls at home plastic as well?

Defletter 1y ago
> Are all your plates and bowls at home plastic as well? Funnily enough, there are contingents of people who exclusively use paper plates and plastic cutlery. I think there's an interesting parallel there. Those kinds of people simply do not want the effort and cost of maintenance. I'm not particularly sympathetic to this mindset in either case, but still.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
  In part, the rest of society subsidises the price of cheap disposable items by paying for their disposal and clean-up. I'd much rather that the manufacturers were made to bear that cost, though I doubt that would be practical in a global market. Probably the easiest way to implement it would be to add a cleanup charge to the price of those items (e.g. like VAT). On a related note, I'd want any branded litter (e.g. McDonalds cartons) to be charged back to the company - it should be their responsibility to deal with the rubbish they produce and they can easily add a small charge to each order.
  - eliaspro 1y ago
    The Germany municipality of Tübingen implemented a "Verpackungssteuer" (tax on single-use packaging, utensils). It was fought by the local McDonald's franchisee up to the highest relevant court (Bundesverwaltungsgericht) and finally approved. Dozens of other German municipalities were just waiting for the final decision to implement their own local tax.
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raincole 1y ago
> It's also of course an entirely arbitrary line to draw Banning straws is the "entirely arbitrary line to draw." Why not banning paper plates as well? Plastic bowls too?
- graynk 1y ago
  They are banned. There is no law that bans just the straws. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/904/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/904/oj

by jjani 1y ago

Defletter 1y ago

> Are all your plates and bowls at home plastic as well? Funnily enough, there are contingents of people who exclusively use paper plates and plastic cutlery. I think there's an interesting parallel there. Those kinds of people simply do not want the effort and cost of maintenance. I'm not particularly sympathetic to this mindset in either case, but still.

ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
In part, the rest of society subsidises the price of cheap disposable items by paying for their disposal and clean-up. I'd much rather that the manufacturers were made to bear that cost, though I doubt that would be practical in a global market. Probably the easiest way to implement it would be to add a cleanup charge to the price of those items (e.g. like VAT). On a related note, I'd want any branded litter (e.g. McDonalds cartons) to be charged back to the company - it should be their responsibility to deal with the rubbish they produce and they can easily add a small charge to each order.
- eliaspro 1y ago
  The Germany municipality of Tübingen implemented a "Verpackungssteuer" (tax on single-use packaging, utensils). It was fought by the local McDonald's franchisee up to the highest relevant court (Bundesverwaltungsgericht) and finally approved. Dozens of other German municipalities were just waiting for the final decision to implement their own local tax.
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raincole 1y ago

> It's also of course an entirely arbitrary line to draw Banning straws is the "entirely arbitrary line to draw." Why not banning paper plates as well? Plastic bowls too?

graynk 1y ago
They are banned. There is no law that bans just the straws. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/904/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/904/oj