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Cheapest Fiat Panda seems to go for €14,700[1], so colour me sceptical on that "€30k+ for a new small car". In a quick check, it seems it was about €10k in 2011

by arp242 1y ago

Cheapest Fiat Panda seems to go for €14,700[1], so colour me sceptical on that "€30k+ for a new small car". In a quick check, it seems it was about €10k in 2011.[2] The price increase is more than inflation, but you can't just assume that it's primarily due to safety regulations and emission standards. [1] https://www.fiat.it/omni/configuratore/#/customize?color=CL-509&interior=IN-099&wheels=8-BG1&commercialModelCode=3199&mvss=003191AH9000&sidebarStep=configuration_tab&vehicleType=VP&wcwTyres=false&userType=B2C https://www.fiat.it/omni/configuratore/#/customize?color=CL-... [2] https://supercarblondie.com/how-much-the-fiat-panda-has-increased-in-price-over-21-years/ https://supercarblondie.com/how-much-the-fiat-panda-has-incr...

Aaargh20318 1y ago
> Cheapest Fiat Panda seems to go for €14,700 Cheapest Fiat Panda goes for €19,990 in my country. Taxes on new cars are enormous here. That seems to be the only ICE model they still sell, and for how long will they stil sell that? The even smaller Fiat 500e is €28,990.
- skylurk 1y ago
  > Taxes on new cars are enormous here Seems like taxes could be the larger factor then?
- beAbU 1y ago
  Stop shifting the goalposts. The argument was no cars are available sub 30k, and that was proven wrong. Now you are arguing that <€30k cars might not he available in the near future, which no one is disputing. Then you use the existence of a <€30k ev to prove your point?
- arp242 1y ago
  €20k is still a third off from your earlier €30k+. And when I checked yesterday evening I saw several cars in similar price ranges. And now you're saying that "enormous taxes" are partly responsible for price increases, instead of just regulations and emission standards, which demonstrates my point exactly: there are many reasons cars are more expensive.

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Cheapest Fiat Panda seems to go for €14,700[1], so colour me sceptical on that "€30k+ for a new small car". In a quick check, it seems it was about €10k in 2011

by arp242 1y ago

Aaargh20318 1y ago
> Cheapest Fiat Panda seems to go for €14,700 Cheapest Fiat Panda goes for €19,990 in my country. Taxes on new cars are enormous here. That seems to be the only ICE model they still sell, and for how long will they stil sell that? The even smaller Fiat 500e is €28,990.
- skylurk 1y ago
  > Taxes on new cars are enormous here Seems like taxes could be the larger factor then?
- beAbU 1y ago
  Stop shifting the goalposts. The argument was no cars are available sub 30k, and that was proven wrong. Now you are arguing that <€30k cars might not he available in the near future, which no one is disputing. Then you use the existence of a <€30k ev to prove your point?
- arp242 1y ago
  €20k is still a third off from your earlier €30k+. And when I checked yesterday evening I saw several cars in similar price ranges. And now you're saying that "enormous taxes" are partly responsible for price increases, instead of just regulations and emission standards, which demonstrates my point exactly: there are many reasons cars are more expensive.