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Because you're potentially moving several thousand kilos at huge speed, and the people that can find themselves in front of them should not have to trust your j
by torben-friis 1y ago
Because you're potentially moving several thousand kilos at huge speed, and the people that can find themselves in front of them should not have to trust your judgement of how safe you'll usually need the machine to be.
- dgfitz 1y agoI’ll be sure to tell that to the poor person on a bicycle in the middle of the road in front of me when I come around a blind curve and can’t jump lanes so as not to hit them. “So sorry I squished you, my lane assist wouldn’t let me move out of the way in time.”
- zeroonetwothree 1y agoFortunately automatic emergency braking is another tech that hopefully your car also has.
- dgfitz 1y agoI will buy used cars that don’t auto-anything for me until I literally cannot find one anymore. Then I’ll buy a tune to remove the feature.
- esseph 1y agoThis sounds like it'd be a good way to lose your license in the future, and maybe have a criminal court case if there was an significant accident that could have been prevented by said features you disabled.
- DaSHacka 1y agoOnly criminals need to modify their car. Now accept our integrated telemetry gathering that reports directly to LexisNexis so insurance companies can raise your rates [0]. Surely you understand, think of the children! [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driver-tracking-insurance.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driv...
- esseph 1y agoNobody had said anything about telemetry, so far. The rest of us are talking about actual safety features.
- DaSHacka 1y agoThey're often one and the same in newer vehicles, unfortunately. Criminalizing modifying your own car only stands to benefit the corporations that salivate at the mouth thinking of the data mining opportunities.
- messe 1y agoCriminalizing driving cars with certain modifications on public roads serves to benefit other people on the road, pedestrians, and society as a whole.
- DaSHacka 1y agoIn this case, modifications that remove or limit "safety features" that aren't even a requirement now, and many cars on the road don't have? Not to mention, as others in the thread brought up, can invite issues of their own.
- dgfitz 1y agoIt’s so funny to me that people think just because a law is passed, that fixes problems. “This wasn’t illegal and now we made it illegal, we fixed the problem!” How’s that been working out?
- zimpenfish 1y agoI'm guessing you haven't died from polluted drinking water, contaminated food, fake medicines, smog, unsafe vehicles, unsafe roads, dangerous household goods, lethal home wiring, shoddily constructed housing, or any of the other hundreds of things that laws have improved?
- torben-friis 1y agoThat's a completely different discussion. OP was asking why not let him lower standards for cheaper price, not discussing the standard's quality.
- NikolaNovak 1y agoIs there a lane assist that won't let you change lanes? I've driven several brands and they just shake wheel or exert like 5% gentle nudge. But maybe there are brands that will actually forcefully prevent lane change without signal (which is automatic / reflexive for most people who'd have good reflexes but I digress). I'm not at all saying that all Automation is good or that cars always know better than me, but I do want to understand if this is a made-up strawman argument or has anybody ever actually failed to change lanes due to lane assist.
- dgfitz 1y agoTo be fair I do not know, never driven one. Seems like the slippery slope has already been paved with good intentions though.
- NikolaNovak 1y agoI'm a techie, I loved my 2004 wrx for good two decades, but which slippery slope are we discussing here? Putting a black box in your car that records everything without my consent - I'm with you on slippery slopes and ulterior motives. A gentle gentle nudge that helps me on long distances - I'm honestly not with you :-/
- whatevaa 1y agoLast I heard, not all cars are "gentle". Implementation depended.
- NikolaNovak 1y agoFair possibility, that's why my question here is - did anybody actually experience a car that won't let you change lanes easily without a turning signal? I've driven Toyota, Ford, subaru and kia off the top of my head and while e.g. Toyota feels rougher than Honda, none of them approach anything that would even remotely stop, prevent, or even slow me down if I really want to change lanes, let alone if I did it forcefully in emergency. Can't speak for other brands and I definitely never drive a Tesla :-)
- raincole 1y agoSo after manslaughter you are now committing perjury? This is not how lane assist works. Like, not at all.
- dijksterhuis 1y agoyou do realise that most people slow down for blind curves for exactly this reason, right? pre-empt potential dangers and adjust driving accordingly. if you’re concerned that you might have to act due to an unseen/unknown danger — then slow down. it shouldn’t be necessary to swerve out when driving except as a choice of absolute last resort (ie something/someone jumped in front of you inside braking distance and you’ve got no other safe option, in which case you’re probably fucked anyway).
- raincole 1y ago> you do realise that most people slow down for blind curves for exactly this reason, right? The parent commenter sounds exactly like one of those who don't slow down for blind curves.
- dgfitz 1y agoYou can take a blind curve at 15 miles an hour and not have time to avoid debris in the road. Use some critical thinking.
- beAbU 1y agoAt 15mph most cars should be able to stop on a dime, no?
- dijksterhuis 1y agoextrapolating a little, 15mph is ~<10m Speed | Thinking + braking distance | Stopping distance 20mph | 6m + 6m | 12m (40 feet) 30mph | 9m + 14m | 23m (75 feet) 40mph | 12m + 24m | 36m (118 feet) 50mph | 15m + 38m | 53m (174 feet) 60mph | 18m + 55m | 73m (240 feet) 70mph | 21m + 75m | 96m (315 feet) > https://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/advice/stopping-distances https://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/advice/stopping-distan... note that the braking distances are not for modern cars with advancements in braking tech etc.
- dgfitz 1y ago
- beAbU 1y agoYou are arguing in bad faith. You are also creating a straw man argument attempting to rubbish a feature that works acceptably well in 99% other use cases even if your scenario is legitimate. If there is a blind corner you should slow down enough that you can safely stop if there are obstacles in the road. You don't know what's in the oncoming lane, so you can't assume that it'll be safe to blindly swerve into it to avoid something in your lane. Secondly, lane keeping does not lock your steering wheel preventing you from changing lanes if you need to. The additional force required to override it is the difference between steering with your pinky and gripping the wheel with your hand.
- buckle8017 1y agoI almost died on a freeway when my Subaru Outback decided there was something in front and engaged full braking. 110 kmh to 40 before it realized it was wrong. pure luck nobody was following too close.
- Reason077 1y agoAs long as the vehicle behind you is also equipped with AEB, you should be ok.
- reassess_blind 1y agoYes, let’s hope that motorcycle has AEB.
- Reason077 1y agoIt's coming. Already mandatory for all new motorcycles in some countries.
- AnthonyMouse 1y agoIf you try to brake a motorcycle as fast as you would a car, it has a tendency to flip over. And in general different vehicles have different stopping distances, so "just have the whole line of cars all panic brake at once" is going to have them smashing into each other.
- ninalanyon 1y agoOnly if they are all driving too close the the car in front. If you keep to the recommended 3 seconds separation you will most often be fine even in bad weather. I drive my Tesla S on Autopilot with the separation set to the maximum which is about 3 seconds and it makes for a comfortable motorway driving experience.
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- Aaargh20318 1y ago> Because you're potentially moving several thousand kilos at huge speed No, I’m not. My current car weighs less than a thousand kilos (945 to be precise) and the speed limit in basically the entire city is 30km/h. Newer cars are ‘several thousand kilos’ especially because of all the regulations. Just being an EV adds a significant amount of weight due to the battery.