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Disclaimer: I'm not claiming injecting aluminum is dangerous, but I must address this argument that we get way more from food than injections and the claim that
by lithocarpus 1y ago
Disclaimer: I'm not claiming injecting aluminum is dangerous, but I must address this argument that we get way more from food than injections and the claim that what is injected quickly leaves the body. I've seen these arguments often but can't find solid basis for them.
It's a false equivalency to compare an amount of a substance eaten vs injected. Injected substances can get to places in the body and in different quantities than substances eaten.
There are different forms of aluminum, with different absorption rates, and different potential behaviors in the body.
Here's a study of aluminum accumulation in rodents after injection: https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-11-99 https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-...
I don't think there are any studies showing that aluminum doesn't accumulate or remain in the body long after injection - while I've found ~5 studies indicating that it does.
Doesn't mean it's dangerous, just that some amount of it does stick around long term and it is not clear to me that it's a drop in the bucket compared to the aluminum we eat. We also eat a lot more aluminum than people used to before the industrial revolution. The amounts of aluminum we eat now could be mildly harmful too - I don't know about that.
Below is the math on amount of aluminum that a normal baby ingests vs gets injected. I got a result that a baby's first year they get between 2x to 65x as much aluminum in their blood from injections vs from feeding.
A baby drinking breast milk (250L in the first year) would get 250 * 40µg = 10mg of aluminum in their first year from breast milk. A baby eats around 300000 calories in their first year, which leaves 120000 not from breast milk. At a rate of 8mg of aluminum per 2300 calories this would be another 416mg of aluminum from food for a total of 426mg.
The absorption rate into the bloodstream of that aluminum would vary between ~0.01% (for aluminum hydroxide) to ~0.3% (for aluminum citrate), so they would get 0.04mg to 1.3mg of aluminum in their blood across the first year from ingestion. Compared to 0.125mg to 0.85mg per dose of vaccine. They get around 10 doses of vaccines containing aluminum in the first year, for around ~2.6mg of aluminum total, but 100% of that is absorbed since it's injected. So the amount that gets into the blood during the first year from vaccination is somewhere from 2 to 65 times the amount a baby would get in their blood from eating/drinking.
I could be wrong on this logic or math somewhere, and welcome being corrected.
Another aspect of this is that the injected aluminum adjuvant comes in big (relative to ingestion) sudden doses with the intent to trigger a significant immune response to the antigen. That could affect the body differently than a gradual very small daily dose.
Again, not claiming that injecting aluminum is dangerous, but it seems to me babies could be getting far more persistent aluminum in their bodies from injections than from food, and as far as I know this has not undergone a long term study showing that it's safe. Almost all vaccine studies have aluminum injected in both arms of the study, and I haven't found a single aluminum vs placebo study - please share if you have one.
- gamblor956 1y agoAluminum is excreted by the kidneys naturally. In order for aluminum to bioacculumate, the kidneys would have to be non-functional. Infant kidneys may not be as efficient as adult kidneys, but any aluminum acquired through vaccines would still be excreted by the time they're able to talk.
- lithocarpus 1y agoIt is excreted by the kidneys, but according to the studies I looked at, for aluminum that gets in the blood some of it gets into bone and brain and other places where some portion stays there for years. Point being that for a given amount of aluminum, many orders of magnitude more of it is still in the body years later if it was injected as compared with ingested. I'm not saying this is harmful necessarily, but it is not something I would simply dismiss.
- gamblor956 1y agoStudies...in mice. Studies in humans show that if doesn't end up accumulating unless your kidneys aren't working.
- lithocarpus 1y agopersistence in humans: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11522584/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11522584/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22425036/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22425036/ https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/neurology/articles/10.3 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/neurology/articles/10.3... showing aluminum accumulation in human brain: (not from vaccines it could be from other sources, point is just that it did accumulate in these brains) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28159219/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28159219/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-64734-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-64734-6 I may be missing something and this only happens in people whose kidneys don't work but my quick glancing at these studies didn't suggest that.
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