3 ms·

You might as well not use the web / internet at this point. Unless you use busybox or an esoteric OS to browse the web, almost every browser or OS (macOS, Linu

You might as well not use the web / internet at this point. Unless you use busybox or an esoteric OS to browse the web, almost every browser or OS (macOS, Linux, Windows) will ping to Google or some other bad spyware website.

sebastiennight 1y ago
FYI this statement is wrong. You don't need an "esoteric OS". Just a firewall (such as Little Snitch on MacOS) and one of several browsers (such as Firefox) will enable you to browse the web without constantly calling home to Google.
- colesantiago 1y ago
  Firefox is funded by Google. By using it, Google is still benefiting from it, use a different browser. Google is known for trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses to get around blockers such as Little Snitch on popular software. But that isn't enough to get around Google's tracking hence you would need an esoteric OS.
  - sebastiennight 1y ago
    > Firefox is funded by Google. By using it, Google is still benefiting from it, use a different browser. 1. You're moving the goalposts here. We were talking about avoiding tracking/pinging Google 2. Google pays Firefox to be the default search engine. If you change the search engine, how are you benefitting Google? They're paying for eyeballs that you're not providing, so you're technically making them spend money in vain. > Google is known for trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses to get around blockers such as Little Snitch on popular software. If we assumed that this was true, I don't see how switching out the OS makes any difference to the tactic of Google "trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses" from a 3rd-party website, which is where this conversation started.
    - colesantiago 1y ago
      > If we assumed that this was true, I don't see how switching out the OS makes any difference... Because we want absolutely zero Google tracking here and an esoteric OS has zero Google tracking. Not in source code not in network requests, zero. No amount of "Little Snitch" will help you here.
      - sebastiennight 1y ago
        I'm not even sure you're being serious here, but I'll assume good faith. What Google tracking is there in, for instance, vanilla MacOS? I have my traffic logs, so please let me know and I'll check it for myself. Edit: and please don't say "Safari has Google as the default engine", since we've covered that above. What else is there?
        colesantiago 1y ago
        > What Google tracking is there in, for instance, vanilla MacOS? Mail > Google Internet Accounts > Google As I said: > Absolutely zero Google tracking here and an esoteric OS has zero Google tracking. Not in source code not in network requests, zero. Even with the mere integration of Google this deep into the OS is enough for those respect their privacy to not want to use MacOS.
        sebastiennight 1y ago
        Well I don't know what "Internet Accounts" are, and your claim that Apple Mail uses Google tracking seems like an extraordinary claim that requires some sources (I couldn't find anything about that), so I think we should leave this conversation at that.
        colesantiago 1y ago
        Well, maybe you don't know your computer / OS as much as you think you do.
        1y ago

sebastiennight 1y ago

FYI this statement is wrong. You don't need an "esoteric OS". Just a firewall (such as Little Snitch on MacOS) and one of several browsers (such as Firefox) will enable you to browse the web without constantly calling home to Google.

colesantiago 1y ago
Firefox is funded by Google. By using it, Google is still benefiting from it, use a different browser. Google is known for trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses to get around blockers such as Little Snitch on popular software. But that isn't enough to get around Google's tracking hence you would need an esoteric OS.
- sebastiennight 1y ago
  > Firefox is funded by Google. By using it, Google is still benefiting from it, use a different browser. 1. You're moving the goalposts here. We were talking about avoiding tracking/pinging Google 2. Google pays Firefox to be the default search engine. If you change the search engine, how are you benefitting Google? They're paying for eyeballs that you're not providing, so you're technically making them spend money in vain. > Google is known for trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses to get around blockers such as Little Snitch on popular software. If we assumed that this was true, I don't see how switching out the OS makes any difference to the tactic of Google "trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses" from a 3rd-party website, which is where this conversation started.
  - colesantiago 1y ago
    > If we assumed that this was true, I don't see how switching out the OS makes any difference... Because we want absolutely zero Google tracking here and an esoteric OS has zero Google tracking. Not in source code not in network requests, zero. No amount of "Little Snitch" will help you here.
    - sebastiennight 1y ago
      I'm not even sure you're being serious here, but I'll assume good faith. What Google tracking is there in, for instance, vanilla MacOS? I have my traffic logs, so please let me know and I'll check it for myself. Edit: and please don't say "Safari has Google as the default engine", since we've covered that above. What else is there?
      - colesantiago 1y ago
        > What Google tracking is there in, for instance, vanilla MacOS? Mail > Google Internet Accounts > Google As I said: > Absolutely zero Google tracking here and an esoteric OS has zero Google tracking. Not in source code not in network requests, zero. Even with the mere integration of Google this deep into the OS is enough for those respect their privacy to not want to use MacOS.
        sebastiennight 1y ago
        Well I don't know what "Internet Accounts" are, and your claim that Apple Mail uses Google tracking seems like an extraordinary claim that requires some sources (I couldn't find anything about that), so I think we should leave this conversation at that.
        colesantiago 1y ago
        Well, maybe you don't know your computer / OS as much as you think you do.
        1y ago