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I recently launched Libre , a small side project and social experiment. It’s not a social network, but kind of the opposite: No profiles, usernames, or followe

I recently launched Libre , a small side project and social experiment. It’s not a social network, but kind of the opposite: No profiles, usernames, or followers No likes, trending topics, or algorithms No ads, no data collection Just anonymous thoughts from people around the world. Curious to see how it evolves and what kind of conversations happen when metrics are removed.

roscas 1y ago
To be anonymous you cannot use gstatic.com because this way you're just telling google I was there. Also tailwindcss and unpkg call sell data to others and there you go zero anonimous. I'm sure you can fix this.
- colesantiago 1y ago
  You might as well not use the web / internet at this point. Unless you use busybox or an esoteric OS to browse the web, almost every browser or OS (macOS, Linux, Windows) will ping to Google or some other bad spyware website.
  - sebastiennight 1y ago
    FYI this statement is wrong. You don't need an "esoteric OS". Just a firewall (such as Little Snitch on MacOS) and one of several browsers (such as Firefox) will enable you to browse the web without constantly calling home to Google.
    - colesantiago 1y ago
      Firefox is funded by Google. By using it, Google is still benefiting from it, use a different browser. Google is known for trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses to get around blockers such as Little Snitch on popular software. But that isn't enough to get around Google's tracking hence you would need an esoteric OS.
      - sebastiennight 1y ago
        > Firefox is funded by Google. By using it, Google is still benefiting from it, use a different browser. 1. You're moving the goalposts here. We were talking about avoiding tracking/pinging Google 2. Google pays Firefox to be the default search engine. If you change the search engine, how are you benefitting Google? They're paying for eyeballs that you're not providing, so you're technically making them spend money in vain. > Google is known for trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses to get around blockers such as Little Snitch on popular software. If we assumed that this was true, I don't see how switching out the OS makes any difference to the tactic of Google "trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses" from a 3rd-party website, which is where this conversation started.
        colesantiago 1y ago
        > If we assumed that this was true, I don't see how switching out the OS makes any difference... Because we want absolutely zero Google tracking here and an esoteric OS has zero Google tracking. Not in source code not in network requests, zero. No amount of "Little Snitch" will help you here.
        sebastiennight 1y ago
        I'm not even sure you're being serious here, but I'll assume good faith. What Google tracking is there in, for instance, vanilla MacOS? I have my traffic logs, so please let me know and I'll check it for myself. Edit: and please don't say "Safari has Google as the default engine", since we've covered that above. What else is there?
        colesantiago 1y ago
        > What Google tracking is there in, for instance, vanilla MacOS? Mail > Google Internet Accounts > Google As I said: > Absolutely zero Google tracking here and an esoteric OS has zero Google tracking. Not in source code not in network requests, zero. Even with the mere integration of Google this deep into the OS is enough for those respect their privacy to not want to use MacOS.
- Hoodedcrow 1y ago
  Thankfully, Ublock Origin in advanced mod can block those requests by default. It's just very irritating and I'd say disrespectful when you HAVE to unblock them for the site to work.
- rododecba 1y ago
  i dont know any other way to show where the msg was sent if not
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    "I don't know how to do this while maintaining anonymity" is not an excuse to do it in a way which does not maintain anonymity while claiming it does.
ranger_danger 1y ago
> Curious to see how it evolves being a haven for sharing very illegal content is probably how it's going to evolve... unfortunately
- PaulHoule 1y ago
  Some kind of trouble one way or the other.
  - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
    Strong link trouble or weak link trouble :)? In any case.. I hope TW Körner doesn't have that last footnote on the topic.. (Fwiw left/right (meta-)division seems to me to encompass all the moral taxonomies of the day, TWK just happened to settle for rich/smart vs social wrt UK) >Social Darwinism applies the Darwinian doctrine of survival of the fittest to human society. Rich social Darwinists take wealth as the best indication of fitness to survive, academic social Darwinists take intellectual achievements as the best indication and so on. They are often haunted by the fear that the unfit do not understand this and may outbreed the fit. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24154247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24154247
    - PaulHoule 1y ago
      God that guy might turn up close to me by an embedding search.
      - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
        ;) (For some reason the algolia DB wasn't properly normalised)
- rododecba 1y ago
  hopefuly not, thank you
  - 1y ago
riidom 1y ago
Could you look into your dark mode please? Thank you!:)
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  I highly suggest the Dark Reader extension.
  - textadventure 1y ago
    As some who loves dark mode, I hate that extension. I get the appeal of forcing every website to be dark mode, but that ends up breaking half of them or just making them look like trash. People need to custom design their dark modes for whatever each design is. If you don't care about breaking design and stuff looking the way its supposed to, I guess the extension is fine but I rather use something like Stylus where you can use people's custom designed stylesheets for most known sites.
    - ranger_danger 1y ago
      I love it and I've never had a problem with it... I don't get the hate at all /shrug
  - riidom 1y ago
    I have Dark Reader. I think it wasn't working properly for me. Right now the site is 404, can't check. But I agree with other commentors, Dark Reader isn't the solution. There is not really an excuse for not doing a builtin darkmode nowadays, imo.
krapp 1y ago
>Curious to see how it evolves and what kind of conversations happen when metrics are removed. I've seen a ton of projects like this. It will get deluged with spam and shitposts and people will stop caring once the novelty wears off and leave once it becomes a cesspool. Probably for 4chan which at least has a culture and established userbase. And porn.
jibal 1y ago
No value--people want content that is focused, accurate, curated, reliable, relevant, high quality, etc. Also no freedom, with all your content restrictions.
- petralithic 1y ago
  To the first point, could there not be an algorithm that nevertheless still works without followers, likes or ads? TikTok seems kind of similar, at least when it initially started. It seems its core algorithm doesn't need likes, it can detect whether you engage with a video via other metrics like time spent watching the video. I suppose you'd want to allow people to self select based on topics, and then, well, you essentially get Reddit.
- atoav 1y ago
  Ah the good old "freedom to" that totally forgets that freedom also should contain a "freedom of". Free like in a chaotic war zone, where you can commit any kind of horrible attrocity, but if you just want to have a nice time, that isn't an option, because everybody behaves like an idiot. No thanks. Freedom in reality isn't just a thing that you increase by reducing the rules. There comes a point where less rules result in less freedom. So it is always a balancing act between your freedom to do X and others freedom to not have to be subjected to X. Example: Giving up the freedom being able to murder random people is a little price to pay, if it means reducing the risk to be murdered yourself – especially since decent people wouldn't have the actionable urge to murder each other anyways. If you're a murderer however that may reduce your freedom in ways you dislike. But then, maybe, your freedom shouldn't matter as much. Maybe I would care more about that specific idea of active freedom if I routinely wittnessed a real repression of any idea that isn't just the mean bullshit of egocentrics who have lost all touch with humanity and just want to see the world burn.
  - jibal 1y ago
    I didn't say that I wanted a "freedom to" site, I'm just saying that the site is mischaracterized.
mattigames 1y ago
No way to filter by subjects one may be interested, no way to find likeminded individuals, no way to mute people, so yeah, not much value could be derived from it; I think that there is space for some pseudo-anonymous social network but this is not it, at least not in its current state.
politelemon 1y ago
The first message is from July 2022. Is it really recent?
- rododecba 1y ago
  i launched it 1 month ago aprox
jandrese 1y ago
So you launched /b/?
- guerrilla 1y ago
  This is what I thought too. It'll go full Nazi in less than 5 hours from now. Anyone want to place bets?
  - Xevion 1y ago
    Haha, have you checked on it lately? You had it right on the money dude. The thing allowed HTML injection. It went from the N word and a couple emojis to downright ear-piercing multitudes of fascist /b/ propaganda over the course of an hour.
    - guerrilla 1y ago
      And now it's completely broken this morning...
cxr 1y ago
What are algorithms?
neilv 1y ago
> No ads, no data collection [...] Just anonymous thoughts from [...] It currently leaks cross-site user tracking information to Google (www.gstatic.com).
listic 1y ago
There's no way of ever hearing back; being responded to, right?
deleted 1y ago
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48terry 1y ago
Your site about "pure freedom of expression" and "raw thoughts" stops me from posting about buying new golf balls because of a badwords.js word filter. Why are your Terms of Service and Privacy Policy a collection of empty bullet points?
- rkomorn 1y ago
  How can you comment this without including the post content that triggered the filter?
  - 48terry 1y ago
    Literally just try it: "golf balls". The badwords.js isn't even particularly hidden if you check the page's source: https://libreantisocial.com/badwords.js https://libreantisocial.com/badwords.js
    - rkomorn 1y ago
      I... did not think you were being quite so literal.
    - rkomorn 1y ago
      I'll add that, based on the other posts I saw on the site, it certainly didn't occur to me that there was any filtering in place.
      - 48terry 1y ago
        Well, badwords.js is client side, so if you just block it from loading you can post about balls and butts and slurs as much as you like. Absolutely incredible stuff.
    - deleted 1y ago
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heavensteeth 1y ago
Did you vibe code this by any chance? It's clearly insecure. Oh, yes, you did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44656840 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44656840

roscas 1y ago

To be anonymous you cannot use gstatic.com because this way you're just telling google I was there. Also tailwindcss and unpkg call sell data to others and there you go zero anonimous. I'm sure you can fix this.

colesantiago 1y ago
You might as well not use the web / internet at this point. Unless you use busybox or an esoteric OS to browse the web, almost every browser or OS (macOS, Linux, Windows) will ping to Google or some other bad spyware website.
- sebastiennight 1y ago
  FYI this statement is wrong. You don't need an "esoteric OS". Just a firewall (such as Little Snitch on MacOS) and one of several browsers (such as Firefox) will enable you to browse the web without constantly calling home to Google.
  - colesantiago 1y ago
    Firefox is funded by Google. By using it, Google is still benefiting from it, use a different browser. Google is known for trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses to get around blockers such as Little Snitch on popular software. But that isn't enough to get around Google's tracking hence you would need an esoteric OS.
    - sebastiennight 1y ago
      > Firefox is funded by Google. By using it, Google is still benefiting from it, use a different browser. 1. You're moving the goalposts here. We were talking about avoiding tracking/pinging Google 2. Google pays Firefox to be the default search engine. If you change the search engine, how are you benefitting Google? They're paying for eyeballs that you're not providing, so you're technically making them spend money in vain. > Google is known for trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses to get around blockers such as Little Snitch on popular software. If we assumed that this was true, I don't see how switching out the OS makes any difference to the tactic of Google "trying an assortment of IPs and DNS addresses" from a 3rd-party website, which is where this conversation started.
      - colesantiago 1y ago
        > If we assumed that this was true, I don't see how switching out the OS makes any difference... Because we want absolutely zero Google tracking here and an esoteric OS has zero Google tracking. Not in source code not in network requests, zero. No amount of "Little Snitch" will help you here.
        sebastiennight 1y ago
        I'm not even sure you're being serious here, but I'll assume good faith. What Google tracking is there in, for instance, vanilla MacOS? I have my traffic logs, so please let me know and I'll check it for myself. Edit: and please don't say "Safari has Google as the default engine", since we've covered that above. What else is there?
        colesantiago 1y ago
        > What Google tracking is there in, for instance, vanilla MacOS? Mail > Google Internet Accounts > Google As I said: > Absolutely zero Google tracking here and an esoteric OS has zero Google tracking. Not in source code not in network requests, zero. Even with the mere integration of Google this deep into the OS is enough for those respect their privacy to not want to use MacOS.
Hoodedcrow 1y ago
Thankfully, Ublock Origin in advanced mod can block those requests by default. It's just very irritating and I'd say disrespectful when you HAVE to unblock them for the site to work.
rododecba 1y ago
i dont know any other way to show where the msg was sent if not
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  "I don't know how to do this while maintaining anonymity" is not an excuse to do it in a way which does not maintain anonymity while claiming it does.

ranger_danger 1y ago

> Curious to see how it evolves being a haven for sharing very illegal content is probably how it's going to evolve... unfortunately

PaulHoule 1y ago
Some kind of trouble one way or the other.
- gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
  Strong link trouble or weak link trouble :)? In any case.. I hope TW Körner doesn't have that last footnote on the topic.. (Fwiw left/right (meta-)division seems to me to encompass all the moral taxonomies of the day, TWK just happened to settle for rich/smart vs social wrt UK) >Social Darwinism applies the Darwinian doctrine of survival of the fittest to human society. Rich social Darwinists take wealth as the best indication of fitness to survive, academic social Darwinists take intellectual achievements as the best indication and so on. They are often haunted by the fear that the unfit do not understand this and may outbreed the fit. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24154247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24154247
  - PaulHoule 1y ago
    God that guy might turn up close to me by an embedding search.
    - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
      ;) (For some reason the algolia DB wasn't properly normalised)
rododecba 1y ago
hopefuly not, thank you
- 1y ago

riidom 1y ago

Could you look into your dark mode please? Thank you!:)

ranger_danger 1y ago
I highly suggest the Dark Reader extension.
- textadventure 1y ago
  As some who loves dark mode, I hate that extension. I get the appeal of forcing every website to be dark mode, but that ends up breaking half of them or just making them look like trash. People need to custom design their dark modes for whatever each design is. If you don't care about breaking design and stuff looking the way its supposed to, I guess the extension is fine but I rather use something like Stylus where you can use people's custom designed stylesheets for most known sites.
  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    I love it and I've never had a problem with it... I don't get the hate at all /shrug
- riidom 1y ago
  I have Dark Reader. I think it wasn't working properly for me. Right now the site is 404, can't check. But I agree with other commentors, Dark Reader isn't the solution. There is not really an excuse for not doing a builtin darkmode nowadays, imo.

krapp 1y ago

>Curious to see how it evolves and what kind of conversations happen when metrics are removed. I've seen a ton of projects like this. It will get deluged with spam and shitposts and people will stop caring once the novelty wears off and leave once it becomes a cesspool. Probably for 4chan which at least has a culture and established userbase. And porn.

jibal 1y ago

No value--people want content that is focused, accurate, curated, reliable, relevant, high quality, etc. Also no freedom, with all your content restrictions.

petralithic 1y ago
To the first point, could there not be an algorithm that nevertheless still works without followers, likes or ads? TikTok seems kind of similar, at least when it initially started. It seems its core algorithm doesn't need likes, it can detect whether you engage with a video via other metrics like time spent watching the video. I suppose you'd want to allow people to self select based on topics, and then, well, you essentially get Reddit.
atoav 1y ago
Ah the good old "freedom to" that totally forgets that freedom also should contain a "freedom of". Free like in a chaotic war zone, where you can commit any kind of horrible attrocity, but if you just want to have a nice time, that isn't an option, because everybody behaves like an idiot. No thanks. Freedom in reality isn't just a thing that you increase by reducing the rules. There comes a point where less rules result in less freedom. So it is always a balancing act between your freedom to do X and others freedom to not have to be subjected to X. Example: Giving up the freedom being able to murder random people is a little price to pay, if it means reducing the risk to be murdered yourself – especially since decent people wouldn't have the actionable urge to murder each other anyways. If you're a murderer however that may reduce your freedom in ways you dislike. But then, maybe, your freedom shouldn't matter as much. Maybe I would care more about that specific idea of active freedom if I routinely wittnessed a real repression of any idea that isn't just the mean bullshit of egocentrics who have lost all touch with humanity and just want to see the world burn.
- jibal 1y ago
  I didn't say that I wanted a "freedom to" site, I'm just saying that the site is mischaracterized.

mattigames 1y ago

No way to filter by subjects one may be interested, no way to find likeminded individuals, no way to mute people, so yeah, not much value could be derived from it; I think that there is space for some pseudo-anonymous social network but this is not it, at least not in its current state.

politelemon 1y ago

The first message is from July 2022. Is it really recent?

rododecba 1y ago
i launched it 1 month ago aprox

jandrese 1y ago

So you launched /b/?

guerrilla 1y ago
This is what I thought too. It'll go full Nazi in less than 5 hours from now. Anyone want to place bets?
- Xevion 1y ago
  Haha, have you checked on it lately? You had it right on the money dude. The thing allowed HTML injection. It went from the N word and a couple emojis to downright ear-piercing multitudes of fascist /b/ propaganda over the course of an hour.
  - guerrilla 1y ago
    And now it's completely broken this morning...

cxr 1y ago

What are algorithms?

neilv 1y ago

> No ads, no data collection [...] Just anonymous thoughts from [...] It currently leaks cross-site user tracking information to Google (www.gstatic.com).

listic 1y ago

There's no way of ever hearing back; being responded to, right?

deleted 1y ago

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48terry 1y ago

Your site about "pure freedom of expression" and "raw thoughts" stops me from posting about buying new golf balls because of a badwords.js word filter. Why are your Terms of Service and Privacy Policy a collection of empty bullet points?

rkomorn 1y ago
How can you comment this without including the post content that triggered the filter?
- 48terry 1y ago
  Literally just try it: "golf balls". The badwords.js isn't even particularly hidden if you check the page's source: https://libreantisocial.com/badwords.js https://libreantisocial.com/badwords.js
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    I... did not think you were being quite so literal.
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    I'll add that, based on the other posts I saw on the site, it certainly didn't occur to me that there was any filtering in place.
    - 48terry 1y ago
      Well, badwords.js is client side, so if you just block it from loading you can post about balls and butts and slurs as much as you like. Absolutely incredible stuff.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]

heavensteeth 1y ago

Did you vibe code this by any chance? It's clearly insecure. Oh, yes, you did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44656840 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44656840