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Perhaps you should have tried testing it before commenting?

em-bee 1y ago
if you know that the solution does not work, then just say so and maybe explain why, instead of being snarky. all i did was to share a link to a resource. if you don't trust that resource you need to do your own testing. what ever i say, whether i tested it or not, doesn't add much more value. you can't trust my words any more than the resource i linked. you asked half a dozen times in the last few days how a plain xml file can be transformed without xslt. and you claimed that xslt can be used to transform an rss feed. well, guess what, i just tested this: an rss feed with the standard mimetype application/rss+xml doesn't load either an xsl stylesheet or javascript. to make that work you have to change the mimetype, and if you do that, both the xsl stylesheet or the javascript load. (just not both at the same time)
- youngtaff 1y ago
  At least one of the suggested answers in SO doesn’t work and the other is somewhat painful Why answer if you don’t know the answer Here’s one that used application/xml and it works https://www.ellyloel.com/feed.rss https://www.ellyloel.com/feed.rss People are using xslt in the wild today and JS isn’t really a replacement
  - em-bee 1y ago
    the specific answer that i linked to does work. i have verified that too. application/xml is not the same as application/rss+xml. application/xml also loads javascript just fine. again, i tested that. so far i have not found a single mimetype that can load xslt, but could not load javascript. i am coming to believe that there isn't one. if xslt works, then javascript works too. whether javascript itself is a suitable replacement for xslt is not the question. your argument was that it is not possible to replace the builtin xslt support with anything written in javascript, because xml files can't load javascript. since i have now verified that an xml file that can load xslt in the browser can also load javascript, this is proven wrong. all we need now is a good xslt implementation written in javascript or maybe a good binding to a wasm one and then we are ready to remove the builtin xslt support in the browser.
    - youngtaff 1y ago
      I too spent a chunk of time seeing what worked and what it looks like… JS referenced by the XML can manipulate the XML but it frequently executes before the XML DOM is ready (even when waiting for onload) and so misses elements So while possible it’s a pretty horrible experience to translate XML to HTML using JS - the declarative approach is more reliable and easier IMV The XSLT polyfill doesn’t seem to work when loaded as a script in an XML doc but not quite sure why ATM application/xml is commonly used for RSS feeds on static hosts because it’s the correct mimetype for say a feeds.xml response
      - 8NNTt8z3QvLT8tp 1y ago
        https://github.com/mfreed7/xslt_polyfill/pull/5 https://github.com/mfreed7/xslt_polyfill/pull/5 - it will be able to do this soon.
        em-bee 1y ago
        nice. thanks for the link. someone else mentioned xjslt here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44994310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44994310 which is an xslt 2.0 implementation. i have been trying to get that to work by loading the script directly into the xml data but so far could not figure out how to do it.

if you know that the solution does not work, then just say so and maybe explain why, instead of being snarky. all i did was to share a link to a resource. if you don't trust that resource you need to do your own testing. what ever i say, whether i tested it or not, doesn't add much more value. you can't trust my words any more than the resource i linked. you asked half a dozen times in the last few days how a plain xml file can be transformed without xslt. and you claimed that xslt can be used to transform an rss feed. well, guess what, i just tested this: an rss feed with the standard mimetype application/rss+xml doesn't load either an xsl stylesheet or javascript. to make that work you have to change the mimetype, and if you do that, both the xsl stylesheet or the javascript load. (just not both at the same time)

youngtaff 1y ago
At least one of the suggested answers in SO doesn’t work and the other is somewhat painful Why answer if you don’t know the answer Here’s one that used application/xml and it works https://www.ellyloel.com/feed.rss https://www.ellyloel.com/feed.rss People are using xslt in the wild today and JS isn’t really a replacement
- em-bee 1y ago
  the specific answer that i linked to does work. i have verified that too. application/xml is not the same as application/rss+xml. application/xml also loads javascript just fine. again, i tested that. so far i have not found a single mimetype that can load xslt, but could not load javascript. i am coming to believe that there isn't one. if xslt works, then javascript works too. whether javascript itself is a suitable replacement for xslt is not the question. your argument was that it is not possible to replace the builtin xslt support with anything written in javascript, because xml files can't load javascript. since i have now verified that an xml file that can load xslt in the browser can also load javascript, this is proven wrong. all we need now is a good xslt implementation written in javascript or maybe a good binding to a wasm one and then we are ready to remove the builtin xslt support in the browser.
  - youngtaff 1y ago
    I too spent a chunk of time seeing what worked and what it looks like… JS referenced by the XML can manipulate the XML but it frequently executes before the XML DOM is ready (even when waiting for onload) and so misses elements So while possible it’s a pretty horrible experience to translate XML to HTML using JS - the declarative approach is more reliable and easier IMV The XSLT polyfill doesn’t seem to work when loaded as a script in an XML doc but not quite sure why ATM application/xml is commonly used for RSS feeds on static hosts because it’s the correct mimetype for say a feeds.xml response
    - 8NNTt8z3QvLT8tp 1y ago
      https://github.com/mfreed7/xslt_polyfill/pull/5 https://github.com/mfreed7/xslt_polyfill/pull/5 - it will be able to do this soon.
      - em-bee 1y ago
        nice. thanks for the link. someone else mentioned xjslt here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44994310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44994310 which is an xslt 2.0 implementation. i have been trying to get that to work by loading the script directly into the xml data but so far could not figure out how to do it.