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> It's the only chip manufacturer "left" in the US Global Foundries, Micron, and Texas Instruments all come to mind
by ac29 1y ago
> It's the only chip manufacturer "left" in the US
Global Foundries, Micron, and Texas Instruments all come to mind
- jongjong 1y agoYeah terrible position to be when your own government is investing in your competitors' company using your own tax dollars. As a software engineer, this isn't an entirely new concept.
- kragen 1y agoI think all three of those other companies are also getting CHIPS-act subsidies?
- jongjong 1y agoI suppose it could be worse. Still, now the US has a vested interest in seeing Intel crush AMD and others.
- Spooky23 1y agoThey just need to bribe POTUS, and everything will be fine.
- JustExAWS 1y agoAMD is not a chip manufacturer and what “others”?
- kragen 1y agoRight, AMD sold off their foundry business as GlobalFoundries in 02009 to the Mubadala sovereign wealth fund of the UAE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFoundries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFoundries The others would probably be GlobalFoundries, Micron, Microchip, and TI.
- B1FF_PSUVM 1y ago"Real men have fabs" (no more, no more).
- adgjlsfhk1 1y agoGF hasn't gone past the 12nm node. TI is at 45nm. Micron is on relatively recent processes, but they make RAM, not logic (which are totally different processes). Intel is the only chip manufacturer left that is working in logic at anything like the leading edge.
- chneu 1y agoGF is a few nodes behind. Micron doesn't make semiconductors, they mostly make flash and whatnot. TI doesn't have the capacity or knowledge to expand to Intel's size/capacity
- tbrownaw 1y ago> doesn't make semiconductors, they mostly make flash and whatnot Um. All that stuff is still semiconductors, just with different patterns printed on them.
- chneu 1y agoThis is a very wrong take. Fabs run on data. It takes years to gather that data. Fabs can't just be repurposed overnight. Yields must be good, which takes data, equipment, etc which is all extremely specialized. Very ignorant take.
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- johnecheck 1y agoYou're right but also wrong. Flash is just semiconductors etched in a different pattern than logic, but you don't print on semiconductors. Semiconductors are 'printed' on wafers via photolithography.
- kragen 1y agoIntel's wafers are made of silicon, which is a semiconductor. Silicon on sapphire hasn't been widely used for a long time, if that's what you're thinking of. Photolithography prints resists on semiconductor wafers which are then used to pattern the next process step, such as wet etching, plasma etching, oxide growth, epitaxial polysilicon growth, ion implantation, etc. These mostly remove semiconductor from the wafer or alter its properties.
- hangonhn 1y agore: Micron - Memory is very different from logic chips. You vast number of repeating cells in memory. If any of them are bad you can just turn them off and bin them as lower capacity. You can do that to some extend with logic chips but not nearly as much as memory.
- onepointsixC 1y agoGF is a zombie company. Micron and TI are both far far away from leading edge. There is only one American company which is both developing and manufacturing leading edge nodes.