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It depends on what problem you’re referring too. Many socialized healthcare systems have huge backlogs right now. Ration on price. Or availability. Or quality.

by lazide 1y ago

It depends on what problem you’re referring too. Many socialized healthcare systems have huge backlogs right now. Ration on price. Or availability. Or quality. Eventually, every system ends up with one of the three. Sometimes 2.

9cb14c1ec0 1y ago
My Canadian father-in-law had to wait over a year before being able to see a neurologist about his suspected Parkinsons symptoms. Fortunately, he's well off enough that he was able to afford medical treatment in another country, but many people trapped in such systems are not.
- betaby 1y ago
  Half of my work colleagues received health care abroad. Wait times in Quebec are insane. Yes, constant joint pain may be not 'life threatening' yet degrades quality of life significantly. Basically if you are not actively dying you can't get access to healthcare in Quebec.
- lurking_swe 1y ago
  Just to share a perspective from someone who used to live in New York… I had what I suspected was a mild concussion with some annoying symptoms at the time. I could see a neurologist within 3 days IF my schedule was flexible (it was not). I ended up getting seen 10 days later. a year is just crazy.
XorNot 1y ago
"Backlog" - there is never a moment that this isn't just wrong. I'm from Australia. If I want to "skip the line" I can just pay to do so. Private practice exists. People don't, because it's expensive and they can't afford it. This is exactly like the US, except in the US you just don't get healthcare at all and die instead. The "backlog" in any public healthcare system is a triage line. If you actually need care, you get it immediately. If you can live with it but keep it monitored, you might not for longer then is optimally comfortable if you can't afford private consults. In the US, again, you just don't get anything.
- danielmarkbruce 1y ago
  Unless you have good insurance, and then you get everything, the best, the quickest. Australia is a joke compared to healthcare in the US with good insurance. Now, the US sucks really bad if you don't have good insurance / any insurance....
  - XorNot 1y ago
    Such as? Have you ever had a major medical event using your health insurance in America? "We have the best!". But like, so do dictators of 3rd world countries. Do you actually have access to the best care? Are you sure? Because about 1 in 10 Americans are uninsured[1] and a substantially larger percentage are underinsured[2]. Meanwhile Australian life expectancy is higher then America[3] (I mean let's be fair: most of the western world's life expectancy is higher then America...I wonder what common trait most of those places have...) [1] https://www.kff.org/uninsured/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/ https://www.kff.org/uninsured/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2024/01/01/us-healthcare-system-leaves-far-too-many-people-underinsured/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2024/01/01/us-healt... [3] https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/australia-offers-lessons-increasing-american-life-expectancy https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/australia-offers-les...
    - lurking_swe 1y ago
      I don’t disagree about the overall healthcare system being broken in the US, but I find it pretty funny that you replied to that person with more arguments about how healthcare sucks for the average person… When they were discussing healthcare being excellent for folks with great insurance. you two are talking past each other, and talking about two different cohorts of people.
      - XorNot 1y ago
        The person talking about "good insurance" provided no examples of even what that statement is meant to mean, or what they actually expected to get from it. Just "the best care ever", no qualifiers, examples and no indication of costs. Just what does "good healthcare" in America get you, that you imagine people in other countries do not get?
johnnyanmac 1y ago
Somehow, America is doing all 3 at once, without ever truly offering universal healthcare to begin with.
AngryData 1y ago
So exactly like the US except it doesn't cost a fortune.

by lazide 1y ago

9cb14c1ec0 1y ago

My Canadian father-in-law had to wait over a year before being able to see a neurologist about his suspected Parkinsons symptoms. Fortunately, he's well off enough that he was able to afford medical treatment in another country, but many people trapped in such systems are not.

betaby 1y ago
Half of my work colleagues received health care abroad. Wait times in Quebec are insane. Yes, constant joint pain may be not 'life threatening' yet degrades quality of life significantly. Basically if you are not actively dying you can't get access to healthcare in Quebec.
lurking_swe 1y ago
Just to share a perspective from someone who used to live in New York… I had what I suspected was a mild concussion with some annoying symptoms at the time. I could see a neurologist within 3 days IF my schedule was flexible (it was not). I ended up getting seen 10 days later. a year is just crazy.

XorNot 1y ago

"Backlog" - there is never a moment that this isn't just wrong. I'm from Australia. If I want to "skip the line" I can just pay to do so. Private practice exists. People don't, because it's expensive and they can't afford it. This is exactly like the US, except in the US you just don't get healthcare at all and die instead. The "backlog" in any public healthcare system is a triage line. If you actually need care, you get it immediately. If you can live with it but keep it monitored, you might not for longer then is optimally comfortable if you can't afford private consults. In the US, again, you just don't get anything.

danielmarkbruce 1y ago
Unless you have good insurance, and then you get everything, the best, the quickest. Australia is a joke compared to healthcare in the US with good insurance. Now, the US sucks really bad if you don't have good insurance / any insurance....
- XorNot 1y ago
  Such as? Have you ever had a major medical event using your health insurance in America? "We have the best!". But like, so do dictators of 3rd world countries. Do you actually have access to the best care? Are you sure? Because about 1 in 10 Americans are uninsured[1] and a substantially larger percentage are underinsured[2]. Meanwhile Australian life expectancy is higher then America[3] (I mean let's be fair: most of the western world's life expectancy is higher then America...I wonder what common trait most of those places have...) [1] https://www.kff.org/uninsured/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/ https://www.kff.org/uninsured/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2024/01/01/us-healthcare-system-leaves-far-too-many-people-underinsured/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2024/01/01/us-healt... [3] https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/australia-offers-lessons-increasing-american-life-expectancy https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/australia-offers-les...
  - lurking_swe 1y ago
    I don’t disagree about the overall healthcare system being broken in the US, but I find it pretty funny that you replied to that person with more arguments about how healthcare sucks for the average person… When they were discussing healthcare being excellent for folks with great insurance. you two are talking past each other, and talking about two different cohorts of people.
    - XorNot 1y ago
      The person talking about "good insurance" provided no examples of even what that statement is meant to mean, or what they actually expected to get from it. Just "the best care ever", no qualifiers, examples and no indication of costs. Just what does "good healthcare" in America get you, that you imagine people in other countries do not get?

johnnyanmac 1y ago

Somehow, America is doing all 3 at once, without ever truly offering universal healthcare to begin with.

AngryData 1y ago

So exactly like the US except it doesn't cost a fortune.