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In most the USA, or at least Arizona, you have to serve someone. Just dropping something in a mail box doesn't mean dick. The very people that invented the tr

In most the USA, or at least Arizona, you have to serve someone. Just dropping something in a mail box doesn't mean dick. The very people that invented the traffic cameras up in Scottsdale were caught dodging the process servers from triggers from their own camera. Another words, you have to spend hundreds of dollars chasing someone down, by the time you add that on to how easy it is to jam up the ticket in court by demanding an actual human being accuse you, it's not the easy win some may think. You're basically looking at $500+ to try and prosecute someone for a $300 ticket.

joecool1029 1y ago
NY is not Arizona. They have the plate and send the fine to whomever the vehicle is registered to. If the fine isn't paid they flag the plate and impound the car if it's driven in their state.
cowthulhu 1y ago
In CO we have automatic traffic cameras, and to my knowledge they just mail you the ticket, which is usually only a fine (and no license points). Its one of those “automatic plea” tickets where if you fight it, you fight (and risk conviction on) the actual offense, while if you just pay the ticket it will automatically get downgraded to a less serious offense (IE parking outside the lines).
rcpt 1y ago
This isn't true we've had plenty of programs where red light camera tickets were rolled out. Voters just really don't like them.
- mothballed 1y ago
  They were rolled out but the mailed tickets are legally meaningless, someone has to actually hunt you down within a short timespan (I think 90 days) to create any binding requirement to address it. A mailed citation from a photo radar camera is not an official ticket and does not need to be responded to unless it has been formally served to you. https://rideoutlaw.com/photo-radar-tickets-in-arizona-a-comprehensive-guide/ https://rideoutlaw.com/photo-radar-tickets-in-arizona-a-comp...
pverheggen 1y ago
Arizona also did stakeouts to try and catch this guy: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32806142 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32806142
conradev 1y ago
Not in New Jersey. I visited my parents and didn’t stop for a full three seconds before making a right on red on a deserted road at night and they fined my dad.
peteey 1y ago
In FL, a speed camera can give a car's owner can a ticket without needing to know he was the driver. Your perspective is not true nation wide. "The registered owner of the motor vehicle involved in the violation is responsible and liable for paying the uniform traffic citation issued for a violation" http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.1896.html http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ...
- AngryData 1y ago
  That seems completely fucked to me. Charging people who aren't guilty of any crime with a crime because somebody else was driving their car?
  - andelink 1y ago
    What would be the alternative? Just get who was driving your car to pay you back for the fine. If they are not accountable/honorable enough to back you back, then why were you letting them drive your car in the first place?
    - AngryData 1y ago
      The same "alternative" that there is to every other crime in existence, proving the person you charged with a crime actually committed the crime. The default is suppose to be innocence, not guilty. It is the state's responsibility or problem to prove someone is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, not a citizen's responsibility to prove their continued innocence at all times.
      - jakelazaroff 1y ago
        I mean, the state obviously has photo evidence. So you need to show that either the photo was taken in error, that it misidentified your vehicle or that you weren't the legal owner at the time.
chairmansteve 1y ago
I live in AZ, try driving on Lincoln in Paradise Valley. Everyone is going at 40mph because of the speed cameras. Most people don't want to be fugitives.
- ASUfool 1y ago
  I sometimes use Tatum with PV's speed vans parked on the side of the road to head towards downtown Phx and, yes, the common speed is definitely around 40. But pretty much as soon as past McDonald and on 44th St, I resume the the normalized 7-8 mph over the posted limit because I know there are no more speed cameras.
  - chairmansteve 1y ago
    Which proves the speed cameras in PV work...
- mothballed 1y ago
  It's just a process server, not cops. It's just the equivalent of a glorified delivery man looking for you. The general counsel, an executive, and the employees in general of ATS (the company that does the traffic cameras in most of AZ and I think much the USA) dodge the process servers when they get caught by their own cameras. The people that understand how the process works don't seem too bothered being a "fugitive" as it's all a nothing-burger and if you get caught all it means is you need to hire a lawyer to make it go away or pay the ticket.

joecool1029 1y ago

NY is not Arizona. They have the plate and send the fine to whomever the vehicle is registered to. If the fine isn't paid they flag the plate and impound the car if it's driven in their state.

cowthulhu 1y ago

In CO we have automatic traffic cameras, and to my knowledge they just mail you the ticket, which is usually only a fine (and no license points). Its one of those “automatic plea” tickets where if you fight it, you fight (and risk conviction on) the actual offense, while if you just pay the ticket it will automatically get downgraded to a less serious offense (IE parking outside the lines).

rcpt 1y ago

This isn't true we've had plenty of programs where red light camera tickets were rolled out. Voters just really don't like them.

mothballed 1y ago
They were rolled out but the mailed tickets are legally meaningless, someone has to actually hunt you down within a short timespan (I think 90 days) to create any binding requirement to address it. A mailed citation from a photo radar camera is not an official ticket and does not need to be responded to unless it has been formally served to you. https://rideoutlaw.com/photo-radar-tickets-in-arizona-a-comprehensive-guide/ https://rideoutlaw.com/photo-radar-tickets-in-arizona-a-comp...

pverheggen 1y ago

Arizona also did stakeouts to try and catch this guy: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32806142 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32806142

conradev 1y ago

Not in New Jersey. I visited my parents and didn’t stop for a full three seconds before making a right on red on a deserted road at night and they fined my dad.

peteey 1y ago

In FL, a speed camera can give a car's owner can a ticket without needing to know he was the driver. Your perspective is not true nation wide. "The registered owner of the motor vehicle involved in the violation is responsible and liable for paying the uniform traffic citation issued for a violation" http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.1896.html http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ...

AngryData 1y ago
That seems completely fucked to me. Charging people who aren't guilty of any crime with a crime because somebody else was driving their car?
- andelink 1y ago
  What would be the alternative? Just get who was driving your car to pay you back for the fine. If they are not accountable/honorable enough to back you back, then why were you letting them drive your car in the first place?
  - AngryData 1y ago
    The same "alternative" that there is to every other crime in existence, proving the person you charged with a crime actually committed the crime. The default is suppose to be innocence, not guilty. It is the state's responsibility or problem to prove someone is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, not a citizen's responsibility to prove their continued innocence at all times.
    - jakelazaroff 1y ago
      I mean, the state obviously has photo evidence. So you need to show that either the photo was taken in error, that it misidentified your vehicle or that you weren't the legal owner at the time.

chairmansteve 1y ago

I live in AZ, try driving on Lincoln in Paradise Valley. Everyone is going at 40mph because of the speed cameras. Most people don't want to be fugitives.

ASUfool 1y ago
I sometimes use Tatum with PV's speed vans parked on the side of the road to head towards downtown Phx and, yes, the common speed is definitely around 40. But pretty much as soon as past McDonald and on 44th St, I resume the the normalized 7-8 mph over the posted limit because I know there are no more speed cameras.
- chairmansteve 1y ago
  Which proves the speed cameras in PV work...
mothballed 1y ago
It's just a process server, not cops. It's just the equivalent of a glorified delivery man looking for you. The general counsel, an executive, and the employees in general of ATS (the company that does the traffic cameras in most of AZ and I think much the USA) dodge the process servers when they get caught by their own cameras. The people that understand how the process works don't seem too bothered being a "fugitive" as it's all a nothing-burger and if you get caught all it means is you need to hire a lawyer to make it go away or pay the ticket.