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>On iOS you are, as you say, SOL because Apple has literally crippled the options you have down to one: The one they supply and update, once a year Especially

>On iOS you are, as you say, SOL because Apple has literally crippled the options you have down to one: The one they supply and update, once a year Especially egregious given Steve Jobs' memo about not supporting Flash on iOS. http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ Some choice quotes: >Though the operating system for the iPhone, iPod and iPad is proprietary, we strongly believe that all standards pertaining to the web should be open. Rather than use Flash, Apple has adopted HTML5, CSS and JavaScript – all open standards. Apple’s mobile devices all ship with high performance, low power implementations of these open standards. HTML5, the new web standard that has been adopted by Apple, Google and many others, lets web developers create advanced graphics, typography, animations and transitions without relying on third party browser plug-ins (like Flash). HTML5 is completely open and controlled by a standards committee, of which Apple is a member > If developers need to rewrite their Flash websites, why not use modern technologies like HTML5, CSS and JavaScript >New open standards created in the mobile era, such as HTML5, will win on mobile devices (and PCs too). Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind It's been two and a half years since that, and still HTML5 has major issues. Given Apple's engineering prowess, I doubt that HTML5 is a priority for them, or else they would've had a great implementation by now. They know that all the apps in the App Store serve as excellent lock in against Android, Windows Phone and RIM. Why make it easier for people to switch instead of dragging their feet with a small update every year?

batista 14y ago
>It's been two and a half years since that, and still HTML5 has major issues. Given Apple's engineering prowess, I doubt that HTML5 is a priority for them, or else they would've had a great implementation by now. Well, noticed how Android's own web browser is even worse in HTML5 than Mobile Safari? And this is Google, the guys that really like mobile html5 apps. Fact is, it's not that easy to make a good mobile browser --heck, it's not that easy to make a good desktop browser. Still, desktop HTML5 leaves a lot to be desired. Forms support is lacking, the audio side is neglected, SVG still lacks features and is not properly accelerated (even the latest IE that just got it is better in this regard), the client side storage didn't pan out well, typography is still crappy, etc. And this is for the desktop, that doesn't have the battery, memory and performance concerns of the mobile. And it holds true for Safari, Chrome AND Firefox. So, in case you're thinking Apple is doing something especially malicious here, well, they are not.
- josteink 14y ago
  Well, noticed how Android's own web browser is even worse in HTML5 than Mobile Safari? "Android's browser"? Care to elaborate on which browser that is? The one built from source? Which version of the source would that be? Or would it be Chrome? Or Firefox? Or Opera? Or Dolphin? Or Maxthon? or MIUI browser? Or the one included with TouchWiz? In which case, which version of Touchwiz? And how is it "even worse"? You mean it doesn't behave like Mobile iOS Safari so that sites specifically tailored for iOS-devices doesn't work out of the box on Android? What a shock that is, eh? It's almost like I write sites specifically for MSIE, and they don't render correctly in Firefox. Haven't we heard about this story once before? I'm not debating the correctness of your statement, but when you start out with something as mindblowingly pointless as "Android's browser is even worse" it's hard to take the rest of your point seriously.
  - rimantas 14y ago
    > I'm not debating the correctness of your statement, Actually you are. > but when you start out with something as mindblowingly > pointless as "Android's browser is even worse" it's hard > to take the rest of your point seriously. It is not pointless. Don't pretend to be silly as not to understand what "Android browser" is.
    - josteink 14y ago
      > Don't pretend to be silly as not to understand what "Android browser" is. In that case, I challenge you to pinpoint what browser I'm writing this comment from. It should be obvious. It is the Windows-browser. (And before you start debating how that sounds ludicrous, take a step back and realize how Android is more like Windows and Linux than iOS when it comes to software-choice, not to mention versions and revisions and forks)
      - freehunter 14y ago
        Problem is, Android's stock browser is called... "Browser". So Android Browser is perfectly valid.

batista 14y ago

>It's been two and a half years since that, and still HTML5 has major issues. Given Apple's engineering prowess, I doubt that HTML5 is a priority for them, or else they would've had a great implementation by now. Well, noticed how Android's own web browser is even worse in HTML5 than Mobile Safari? And this is Google, the guys that really like mobile html5 apps. Fact is, it's not that easy to make a good mobile browser --heck, it's not that easy to make a good desktop browser. Still, desktop HTML5 leaves a lot to be desired. Forms support is lacking, the audio side is neglected, SVG still lacks features and is not properly accelerated (even the latest IE that just got it is better in this regard), the client side storage didn't pan out well, typography is still crappy, etc. And this is for the desktop, that doesn't have the battery, memory and performance concerns of the mobile. And it holds true for Safari, Chrome AND Firefox. So, in case you're thinking Apple is doing something especially malicious here, well, they are not.

josteink 14y ago
Well, noticed how Android's own web browser is even worse in HTML5 than Mobile Safari? "Android's browser"? Care to elaborate on which browser that is? The one built from source? Which version of the source would that be? Or would it be Chrome? Or Firefox? Or Opera? Or Dolphin? Or Maxthon? or MIUI browser? Or the one included with TouchWiz? In which case, which version of Touchwiz? And how is it "even worse"? You mean it doesn't behave like Mobile iOS Safari so that sites specifically tailored for iOS-devices doesn't work out of the box on Android? What a shock that is, eh? It's almost like I write sites specifically for MSIE, and they don't render correctly in Firefox. Haven't we heard about this story once before? I'm not debating the correctness of your statement, but when you start out with something as mindblowingly pointless as "Android's browser is even worse" it's hard to take the rest of your point seriously.
- rimantas 14y ago
  > I'm not debating the correctness of your statement, Actually you are. > but when you start out with something as mindblowingly > pointless as "Android's browser is even worse" it's hard > to take the rest of your point seriously. It is not pointless. Don't pretend to be silly as not to understand what "Android browser" is.
  - josteink 14y ago
    > Don't pretend to be silly as not to understand what "Android browser" is. In that case, I challenge you to pinpoint what browser I'm writing this comment from. It should be obvious. It is the Windows-browser. (And before you start debating how that sounds ludicrous, take a step back and realize how Android is more like Windows and Linux than iOS when it comes to software-choice, not to mention versions and revisions and forks)
    - freehunter 14y ago
      Problem is, Android's stock browser is called... "Browser". So Android Browser is perfectly valid.