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Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.
by hereme888 1y ago
Reminder DeepSeek is a Chinese company whose headstart is attributed to stealing IP from American companies. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.
- bobro 1y agoCan you contrast this with Western companies? What are the Chinese companies stealing that Western companies aren’t? Do you mean tech or content?
- hereme888 1y agoEthics of Chinese vs. Western companies? Everything. I'm sure you're aware of how many hundreds of $billions of American IP are stolen by Chinese companies.
- bobro 1y agoI’m not asking broadly about difference in ethics. I’m asking specifically about IP theft in the AI space.
- hereme888 1y agoI'm not aware of any proven IP theft by American companies in the AI space. Many pending legal challenges. None yet proven.
- bobro 1y agoAlright. So there’s proven IP theft by the Chinese companies with completed legal proceedings?
- hereme888 1y agoWith completed legal proceedings, at least two cases: Xiaolang Zhang was sentenced in 2024 for stealing Apple's AI autonomous vehicle tech for Chinese AI company XPeng. Xiang Haitao was sentenced in 2022 for stealing Monsanto's AI predictive algorithm for a Chinese research institute.
- replete 1y agoReminder that OpenAI is an American company whose headstart is attributed to stealing copyrighted material from everyone else. Without the huge theft, they'd be nowhere.
- hereme888 1y agoLast I checked, as it concerns the training of their models, all legal challenges are pending. No theft has yet been proven, as they used publicly available data.
- dghlsakjg 1y agoLegal != ethical
- torginus 1y agoIn contrast to your legally watertight accusations.
- skinnymuch 1y agoDo you think the whole world follows America's legal system? Western and American exceptionalists...
- pphysch 1y agoIf an American company did this, it would be "innovative bootstrapping". Yawn.
- andreashaerter 1y agoI can't say whether those claims are true. But even if they were, it feels selective. Every major AI company trained on oceans of data they didn't create or own. The whole field was built on "borrowing" IP, open-source code, academic papers, datasets, art, text, you name it. Drawing the line only now... saying this is where copying stops being okay doesn't seem very fair. No AI company is really in a position to whine about it from my POV (ignoring any lawyer POV). Cue the world's smallest violin
- computerex 1y agoI find it hilarious you felt the need to make this comment in defense of American LLMs. You know that American LLMs aren’t trained ethically either, right? Many people’s data was used for training without their permission. BTW DeepSeek has contributed a lot, with actual white papers describing in detail their optimizations. How are the rest of the American AI labs doing in contributing research and helping one another advance the field?
- nancyminusone 1y agoMost ironic comment I've yet laid eyes on.
- pdntspa 1y agoAs if those american companies played fair with training their AIs It's theft all the way down, son
- mach5 1y agowho cares