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> These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their
by mnmalst 1y ago
> These services come with real costs, especially storage and bandwidth. Charging for them helps ensure that users who benefit from these tools help cover their cost, instead of donors footing the bill.
This is the best way to monetize the extra sevices imo.
- Animats 1y agoI don't want their extra services. Just a local email client. I already have servers. Do not want to have to have a "Thunderbird account" in the "cloud", with overreaching terms of service and privacy terms that weaken over time. Mozilla tried this with "Pocket", then gave up. But as part of Pocket integration, Firefox bookmarks were made less useful. Wonder what will be enshittified in Thunderbird to force people to the "pro" services.
- jraph 1y agoI'm sure you can still go on without the extra services, and you can still donate if you want to. I see no reason for Thunderbird to be enshitified. Thunderbird is also not Mozilla anymore.
- mnmalst 1y agoI agree fully but Thunderbird is operated by MZLA Technologies Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, so while Thunderbird is part of the broader Mozilla family, it operates independently and is managed as its own entity. They left Mozilla at some point but later joined again.
- godelski 1y agoAnd?
- jraph 1y agoAnd they are still technically somewhat Mozilla indeed (but note this commenter wrote they fully agree with my comment)
- godelski 1y agoOk? And being Mozilla is a problem why? And what is the alternative and why?
- mnmalst 1y agoWhere did I imply it's a problem? I merely corrected the answer above me which claimed they are "NOT Mozilla anymore".
- jraph 1y agoPlease reread carefully. There's actually no disagreement here. You are being too confrontational. I understand why you could be, but you can relax here.
- godelski 1y ago[dead]
- jraph 1y agoYour reply is dead. None of us two are doing what you say. I'm not hating anybody or anything here, and stating it even less. There must be some big misunderstanding here. The other commenter only corrected something I wrote that was technically wrong and I read their comment as quite neutral. And my initial comment was an answer to what actually felt undeserved and misplaced hate. I was pushing back hate.
- mnmalst 1y agoYes and that's exactly why they are additional services.
- rangerelf 1y agoIt's like you didn't read the article. They address exactly that gripe at the end.
- godelski 1y ago> at the end Also in the beginning and in the middle.
- godelski 1y agoSo don't use/pay for them? Stop manufacturing outrage. The article is littered with phrases like "optional", "opt-in", "self-host", "For users who prefer to run their own infrastructure", "completely optional suite of (open source) services". How more blatant can they get? Even if your eyes passed over the words I won't believe you if you told me you read the article. It's not reading if you are missing a point that is excessively being shoved in your face.
- godelski 1y agoFunny enough, I'm hitting a 504 when trying to read the article. (Maybe not cached?) For others: https://archive.is/20250822144210/https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/08/tbpro-august-2025-update/ https://archive.is/20250822144210/https://blog.thunderbird.n...