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I tried out one project because of these attributes and then scrapped it fairly quickly in favor of rust. Not enough type safety, too much verbosity. Too much f

by pydry 1y ago

I tried out one project because of these attributes and then scrapped it fairly quickly in favor of rust. Not enough type safety, too much verbosity. Too much fucking "if err != nil". The language sits in an awkward space between rust and python where one of them would almost always be a better choice. But, google rose colored specs...

christophilus 1y ago
I’m almost with you. If there was a language with a fast compiler, excellent tooling, a robust standard library, static binaries, and an F#-like type system, I’d never use anything else. Rust simply doesn’t cut it for me. I’m hoping Roc might become this, but I’m not holding my breath.
- gf000 1y ago
  OCaml? Possibly Haskell as well?
- pydry 1y ago
  Compiler could be faster, I guess but apart from that Rust has all of those things.
  - christophilus 1y ago
    I find Rust's stdlib to be lacking vs Go, and so the average Rust project has a lot of dependencies. To me, Rust feels like the systems-programming equivalent to Node + NPM. Also, the compilation speed was really painful last time I used it. I'm used to the speed of Zig, Hare, Go, Bun. Rust makes me want to jab myself in the eye with a spork.
Mawr 1y ago
> Not enough type safety Sure? Depends on use case. > too much verbosity Doesn't meaningfully affect anything. > Too much fucking "if err != nil". A surface level concern. > The language sits in an awkward space between rust and python where one of them would almost always be a better choice. Rust doesn't have a GC so it's stuck to its systems programming niche. If you want the ergonomics of a GC, Rust is out. Python? Good, but slow, packaging is a joke, dynamic typing (didn't you mention type safety?), async instead of green threads, etc., etc.
- pydry 1y ago
  >packaging is a joke You should see what package management was like for golang in the beginning "just pin a link to github". That was probably one of the most embarrassing technical faux pass ive ever seen. >dynamic typing Type hinting works very well in python and the option to not use it when prototyping is useful. >Rust doesn't have a GC so it's stuck to its systems programming niche. The lack of GC makes it faster than golang. It has a better type system also. If speed is really a concern, using golang doesnt make much sense.

by pydry 1y ago

christophilus 1y ago

I’m almost with you. If there was a language with a fast compiler, excellent tooling, a robust standard library, static binaries, and an F#-like type system, I’d never use anything else. Rust simply doesn’t cut it for me. I’m hoping Roc might become this, but I’m not holding my breath.

gf000 1y ago
OCaml? Possibly Haskell as well?
pydry 1y ago
Compiler could be faster, I guess but apart from that Rust has all of those things.
- christophilus 1y ago
  I find Rust's stdlib to be lacking vs Go, and so the average Rust project has a lot of dependencies. To me, Rust feels like the systems-programming equivalent to Node + NPM. Also, the compilation speed was really painful last time I used it. I'm used to the speed of Zig, Hare, Go, Bun. Rust makes me want to jab myself in the eye with a spork.

Mawr 1y ago

> Not enough type safety Sure? Depends on use case. > too much verbosity Doesn't meaningfully affect anything. > Too much fucking "if err != nil". A surface level concern. > The language sits in an awkward space between rust and python where one of them would almost always be a better choice. Rust doesn't have a GC so it's stuck to its systems programming niche. If you want the ergonomics of a GC, Rust is out. Python? Good, but slow, packaging is a joke, dynamic typing (didn't you mention type safety?), async instead of green threads, etc., etc.

pydry 1y ago
>packaging is a joke You should see what package management was like for golang in the beginning "just pin a link to github". That was probably one of the most embarrassing technical faux pass ive ever seen. >dynamic typing Type hinting works very well in python and the option to not use it when prototyping is useful. >Rust doesn't have a GC so it's stuck to its systems programming niche. The lack of GC makes it faster than golang. It has a better type system also. If speed is really a concern, using golang doesnt make much sense.