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I understand about homeless people but elderly? Don't they have personnal shopping trolley? Like those with 3 wheels to be able to go climb curbs and small stai

I understand about homeless people but elderly? Don't they have personnal shopping trolley? Like those with 3 wheels to be able to go climb curbs and small stairs? Regular carts are only used inside or by people who need to bring their stuff to their car and a pain in the ass to operate in the streets as they don't climb curbs easily. Locally all supermarkets actually have locks at the entrace so that people can lock their shopping trolleys next to the cashiers.

thaumasiotes 1y ago
> Regular carts are only used inside or by people who need to bring their stuff to their car and a pain in the ass to operate in the streets as they don't climb curbs easily. Curbs have onramps. Pretty much every corner and every driveway provides a ramp where wheeled vehicles can easily get on to the sidewalk. You will never have any difficulty pushing a shopping cart onto a sidewalk. https://sdotblog.seattle.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/image-5.jpeg https://sdotblog.seattle.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/202...
- prmoustache 1y ago
  That is a US thing. While things are improving in europe, many sidewalks still have a tiny step. Not high enough to be a problem for someone in a wheelchair but definitely for a loaded cart with shitty plastic wheels. Also it is not uncommon to have people parking where they shouldn't so you can't rely on it. In many part of the world people living in a wheelchair tend to spend a significant amount of time in the street instead of the sidewalk because of "stuff" that block their way on a regular basis.
  - kube-system 1y ago
    Thank you ADA. One of the great progressive legal breakthroughs in the US. Maybe one day we can have a legal environment where we can make progress like that again.
    - fortran77 1y ago
      > One of the great progressive legal breakthroughs in the US. Maybe one day we can have a legal environment where we can make progress like that again. It was signed into law in on July 26, 1990 by President George H.W. Bush. I hope you get to see a progressive man like George H.W. Bush in the White House again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Ac...
      - kube-system 1y ago
        Honestly, yes. Something like this today would be called “woke” or “socialist”.
    - thaumasiotes 1y ago
      > One of the great progressive legal breakthroughs in the US. The ADA is not a good thing. It's best known recently for forcing UC Berkeley to take down the lectures they used to provide over the internet for free. But it's been having very negative effects since it was enacted.
      - kube-system 1y ago
        That's an example of the ADA doing exactly what it should. UC Berkeley is a public institution that receives billions of dollars of taxpayer funding and free land to provide a education for the benefit of the public, and that includes people with disabilities. They can spare a few dollars to make sure someone puts the damn alt tags on content so it works with a screenreader.
        thaumasiotes 1y ago
        Alt tags? You have no idea what you're talking about.
        kube-system 1y ago
        It's hyperbole, but yes that was one of the stated issues. Page 4, for your reference: https://archive.ada.gov/briefs/uc_berkley_lof.pdf https://archive.ada.gov/briefs/uc_berkley_lof.pdf
  - fragmede 1y ago
    America doesn't get things right very often, but when it does, hoo boy! ADA ftw!

thaumasiotes 1y ago

> Regular carts are only used inside or by people who need to bring their stuff to their car and a pain in the ass to operate in the streets as they don't climb curbs easily. Curbs have onramps. Pretty much every corner and every driveway provides a ramp where wheeled vehicles can easily get on to the sidewalk. You will never have any difficulty pushing a shopping cart onto a sidewalk. https://sdotblog.seattle.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2023/03/image-5.jpeg https://sdotblog.seattle.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/202...

prmoustache 1y ago
That is a US thing. While things are improving in europe, many sidewalks still have a tiny step. Not high enough to be a problem for someone in a wheelchair but definitely for a loaded cart with shitty plastic wheels. Also it is not uncommon to have people parking where they shouldn't so you can't rely on it. In many part of the world people living in a wheelchair tend to spend a significant amount of time in the street instead of the sidewalk because of "stuff" that block their way on a regular basis.
- kube-system 1y ago
  Thank you ADA. One of the great progressive legal breakthroughs in the US. Maybe one day we can have a legal environment where we can make progress like that again.
  - fortran77 1y ago
    > One of the great progressive legal breakthroughs in the US. Maybe one day we can have a legal environment where we can make progress like that again. It was signed into law in on July 26, 1990 by President George H.W. Bush. I hope you get to see a progressive man like George H.W. Bush in the White House again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Ac...
    - kube-system 1y ago
      Honestly, yes. Something like this today would be called “woke” or “socialist”.
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    > One of the great progressive legal breakthroughs in the US. The ADA is not a good thing. It's best known recently for forcing UC Berkeley to take down the lectures they used to provide over the internet for free. But it's been having very negative effects since it was enacted.
    - kube-system 1y ago
      That's an example of the ADA doing exactly what it should. UC Berkeley is a public institution that receives billions of dollars of taxpayer funding and free land to provide a education for the benefit of the public, and that includes people with disabilities. They can spare a few dollars to make sure someone puts the damn alt tags on content so it works with a screenreader.
      - thaumasiotes 1y ago
        Alt tags? You have no idea what you're talking about.
        kube-system 1y ago
        It's hyperbole, but yes that was one of the stated issues. Page 4, for your reference: https://archive.ada.gov/briefs/uc_berkley_lof.pdf https://archive.ada.gov/briefs/uc_berkley_lof.pdf
- fragmede 1y ago
  America doesn't get things right very often, but when it does, hoo boy! ADA ftw!