3 ms·

55M visa holders ??? I had no idea it was that many. I thought 18M undocumented was a high %age! 342M people in the US. 16% visa holders I wonder how that

55M visa holders ??? I had no idea it was that many. I thought 18M undocumented was a high %age! 342M people in the US. 16% visa holders I wonder how that compares to other countries? https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about.html https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about....

anigbrowl 1y ago
Historically this isn't exceptional, and is arguably a reversion ot hte mean following the disruption of a WW2 and its aftershocks. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm... I thought 18M undocumented was a high %age! Seems inflated. Reliable estimates run around 2/3 of that. Higher numbers always seem anchored only by handwavey 'there must be more because reasons', which is why you regularly see people claiming sums of 20m, 30m, 40m. The current president has a habit of picking arbitrary numbers based on his feelings, but that doesn't sem a very reliable system to me. https://ohss.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-06/2024_0418_ohss_estimates-of-the-unauthorized-immigrant-population-residing-in-the-united-states-january-2018%25E2%2580%2593january-2022.pdf https://ohss.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-06/2024_0418_o...
verzali 1y ago
Surely includes a lot of tourist visas, and many of these people might be outside the US already but the visa just hasn't expired yet. Or people who need to come frequently for business trips.
staringback 1y ago
Think about what a "visa holder" might be and then try your comment again.
hdgvhicv 1y ago
Tourist visas, Business visas, temporary work visas There are 55m visas, majority of which are non immigrant visas.
- giobox 1y ago
  What does non-immigrant actually mean? The h1b/l1b that is hugely popular in tech are both legally defined as “non-immigrant” visas, yet both include very widely used legal paths to permanent residency and citizenship for the holders - immigration. My point being, this distinction may not mean what it might appear with a layman’s or dictionary based understanding of the phrase “non-immigrant visa”.
  - hdgvhicv 1y ago
    I (journalists), P (sports), L (internal company moves), F (students) I know a few people with two visas - an I visa for work and a B1 for tourism 75% of non immigrant visas are normal tourist/business visa you need to go to a trade show in vegas or go to Disneyland. The H category was under 10% of non immigrant visas.

anigbrowl 1y ago

Historically this isn't exceptional, and is arguably a reversion ot hte mean following the disruption of a WW2 and its aftershocks. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm... I thought 18M undocumented was a high %age! Seems inflated. Reliable estimates run around 2/3 of that. Higher numbers always seem anchored only by handwavey 'there must be more because reasons', which is why you regularly see people claiming sums of 20m, 30m, 40m. The current president has a habit of picking arbitrary numbers based on his feelings, but that doesn't sem a very reliable system to me. https://ohss.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-06/2024_0418_ohss_estimates-of-the-unauthorized-immigrant-population-residing-in-the-united-states-january-2018%25E2%2580%2593january-2022.pdf https://ohss.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-06/2024_0418_o...

verzali 1y ago

Surely includes a lot of tourist visas, and many of these people might be outside the US already but the visa just hasn't expired yet. Or people who need to come frequently for business trips.

staringback 1y ago

Think about what a "visa holder" might be and then try your comment again.

hdgvhicv 1y ago

Tourist visas, Business visas, temporary work visas There are 55m visas, majority of which are non immigrant visas.

giobox 1y ago
What does non-immigrant actually mean? The h1b/l1b that is hugely popular in tech are both legally defined as “non-immigrant” visas, yet both include very widely used legal paths to permanent residency and citizenship for the holders - immigration. My point being, this distinction may not mean what it might appear with a layman’s or dictionary based understanding of the phrase “non-immigrant visa”.
- hdgvhicv 1y ago
  I (journalists), P (sports), L (internal company moves), F (students) I know a few people with two visas - an I visa for work and a B1 for tourism 75% of non immigrant visas are normal tourist/business visa you need to go to a trade show in vegas or go to Disneyland. The H category was under 10% of non immigrant visas.