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Whether or not the person has ever attended an anti-Israel protest is an objective standard that is not arbitrary. There are lots of bad things to say, but it's
by immibis 1y ago
Whether or not the person has ever attended an anti-Israel protest is an objective standard that is not arbitrary. There are lots of bad things to say, but it's not arbitrary or unobjective.
- slt2021 1y agoif it is not arbitrary, as you claim, surely it must be encoded in law and history of past precedents, right ? Israeli people need to read the 1st Amendment that we have in the US
- immibis 1y agoThe USA does have a long history of punishing people severely for protesting.
- slt2021 1y ago[flagged]
- andsoitis 1y ago> it is another thing to punish people protesting a third country israel. > it just signifies who really occupies all positions of power in this country who is this group of people who occupy all positions of power in this country? men? white men? republicans? billionaires? women? straights? which group of people have their grabby hands all over the positions of power in this country?
- anigbrowl 1y agoThe 'arbitrary and capricious' part (a legal term of art) is in saying things like attending a protest constitute grounds for deportation absent any published rules or guidance to this effect. While statute law gives wide discretion to the Secretary of State and Attorney-General in immigration matters, there's still an obligation for transparency and process, which is why there's a whole infrastructure set up for contestation, appeals and so on. You cannot just start issuing orders of removal based on, say, whether people like waffles. As a side note, Israel isn't a US state the last time I looked. I doubt that a blanket ban on political expression could survive a first amendment challenge.
- andsoitis 1y ago> is in saying things like attending a protest constitute grounds for deportation absent any published rules or guidance to this effect. The law is clear that if you support a terrorist group, your visa application can be denied or your current visa revoked. If we take Hamas for example, they are designated a terrorist group by: European Union, Argentina, Australia, Canada, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, Paraguay, United Kingdom, United States, Organization of American States, Switzerland[1] If you are in the US on a non-immigrant visa (you are a guest) and you go to a rally in support of Hamas, I struggle to understand why it would be controversial that the US can revoke your visa ("your permission to be in the US"). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_g...
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago> if you support a terrorist group What does "support" mean in this context?
- andsoitis 1y agoCommonly, when we talk about "support" for an organization (or a cause) it can mean any of the following: 1) financial (e.g. donations, membership fees, investments) 2) human resources (e.g. volunteers, staffing, training) 3) material & in-kind (e.g. equipment, office space, supplies) 4) knowledge & expertise (e.g advisory, R&D, workshops, training) 5) networking & partnerships (e.g. collaboration, referrals, advocacy alliances) 6) policy & institutional (applies to governments, not individuals, so not relevant "in this context") 7) community & social (e.g. public awareness, volunteer mobilization, cultural legitimacy)
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> attended an anti-Israel protest The test may not be arbitrary. How the test was chosen is. A CAPTCHA is an objective test; forcing everyone in high school to take one is arbitrary. (Also, to my knowledge, mere attendance wouldn’t constitute a lawful reason to eject. Material support would have to have been offered, e.g. fundraising for Hamas.
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