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I don't understand this idea that Microsoft would follow US law in this case, since doing so would be espionage, and would lead to such long prison sentences fo

I don't understand this idea that Microsoft would follow US law in this case, since doing so would be espionage, and would lead to such long prison sentences for those who did it. Obviously we've ended the death penalty for all crimes, but I think the police will shoot fleeing people who have participated in things like this. Being part of an organization that says they will do this is also obviously grounds for being deported. Don't think about participating in anything like this unless you have diplomatic immunity, because European states have no reason to go easy on someone who does this.

OgsyedIE 1y ago
Alas, European states will generally not follow the letter of their law if it conflicts with the spirit of obeisance to the country that has all of the material power over their energy availability and software ecosystem, and with good reason.
- impossiblefork 1y ago
  Here in Sweden I can assure you that the government won't be able to do anything about prosecutions of this sort. They don't have the legal powers to intervene. We are also rather near Russia, and we have our laws for a reason. We're not going to apply anything less just because our government wants us to.
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  - snackbroken 1y ago
    > Here in Sweden I can assure you that the government won't be able to do anything about prosecutions of this sort. Tell this to Julian Assange, or to Peter Sunde, Fredrik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm, and Carl Lundström. Though these are examples of government pressure in the opposite direction, they are still examples of how despite having no legal powers to intervene there is plenty of de-facto power being wielded by the U.S. over the Swedish justice system.
    - impossiblefork 1y ago
      All that is Interpol-type police co-operation stuff, not interference with our prosecution of spies. Not having this of filth allowing third parties access to our data is foundational and I don't see how any interference with it could be justified. Historically you shot people like this.

OgsyedIE 1y ago

Alas, European states will generally not follow the letter of their law if it conflicts with the spirit of obeisance to the country that has all of the material power over their energy availability and software ecosystem, and with good reason.

impossiblefork 1y ago
Here in Sweden I can assure you that the government won't be able to do anything about prosecutions of this sort. They don't have the legal powers to intervene. We are also rather near Russia, and we have our laws for a reason. We're not going to apply anything less just because our government wants us to.
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- snackbroken 1y ago
  > Here in Sweden I can assure you that the government won't be able to do anything about prosecutions of this sort. Tell this to Julian Assange, or to Peter Sunde, Fredrik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm, and Carl Lundström. Though these are examples of government pressure in the opposite direction, they are still examples of how despite having no legal powers to intervene there is plenty of de-facto power being wielded by the U.S. over the Swedish justice system.
  - impossiblefork 1y ago
    All that is Interpol-type police co-operation stuff, not interference with our prosecution of spies. Not having this of filth allowing third parties access to our data is foundational and I don't see how any interference with it could be justified. Historically you shot people like this.