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Administration will review all 55M visa holders for deportable violations
- andsoitis 1y agoNothing really to see here. Normal course of business, except maybe that reviewing all 55m systematically is gonna take a while with all the database joins you will have to do across disparate systems.
- popalchemist 1y ago[flagged]
- anigbrowl 1y agoSure, f you trust the administration to rely on objective standards rather than making arbitrary and capricious decisions at scale. Looking at social media, I see a lot of people (including GOP county chairs, example below) saying things like 'deport them all, let them reapply for re-entry,' which kinda proves the argument that it was never about illegal immigration in the first place. https://x.com/BoFrenchTX/status/1958611053119775213 https://x.com/BoFrenchTX/status/1958611053119775213
- stevenwoo 1y agoIt's certainly to be some sort of political litmus test with a quick perusal of social media for anything other than rabid Trump support along with a test for darker tone of skin or country of origin that is out of favor, to bulk up their failure to kick out enough migrants (not coming close to their stated goals of 1000s per day) through the means they have used so far with fake justification, ticky tacky legal and paperwork issues used to justify deportation.
- immibis 1y agoWhether or not the person has ever attended an anti-Israel protest is an objective standard that is not arbitrary. There are lots of bad things to say, but it's not arbitrary or unobjective.
- slt2021 1y agoif it is not arbitrary, as you claim, surely it must be encoded in law and history of past precedents, right ? Israeli people need to read the 1st Amendment that we have in the US
- immibis 1y agoThe USA does have a long history of punishing people severely for protesting.
- slt2021 1y ago[flagged]
- andsoitis 1y ago> it is another thing to punish people protesting a third country israel. > it just signifies who really occupies all positions of power in this country who is this group of people who occupy all positions of power in this country? men? white men? republicans? billionaires? women? straights? which group of people have their grabby hands all over the positions of power in this country?
- andsoitis 1y agoIt is worth familiarizing oneself with VISA rules in other countries and how they enforce them, before the automatic outrage. Let's take The Netherlands as an example to get a feel. - Pronouncement of undesirability: https://ind.nl/en/pronouncement-of-undesirability https://ind.nl/en/pronouncement-of-undesirability - Entry bans: https://ind.nl/en/entry-ban https://ind.nl/en/entry-ban If you have ever had to apply for a Schengen Visa to enter the EU, then you will know how strict the EU is (even hotels want to see your passport and record it).
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y agoNobody is saying it should be as easy to immigrate to the US as it is to immigrate to The Netherlands, they are saying that immigrating to the US should be easier than this administration is making it.
- andsoitis 1y ago> Nobody is saying it should be as easy to immigrate to the US as it is to immigrate to The Netherlands, they are saying that immigrating to the US should be easier than this administration is making it. Ah, we're not talking about the same thing. I drew the comparison to The Netherlands' list of reasons for why they would revoke or deny your VISA (which is what the article is about w.r.t. the US), and it is not dissimilar. I wasn't contrasting ease of immigration between the two countries. It is a mixed bag, but for educated immigrants the it is generally easier to immigrate to The Netherlands than the US (if you are doing so outside the law, I'm going to guess it is much easier "to make it work" in the US than in The Netherlands - both in terms of getting in but also to make a living). There are some notable barriers like you cannot have dual citizenship (the US allows). On the other hand, demand for immigration to the US is much higher, which, together with more arcane and byzantine regulations result in other structural barriers.
- boston_clone 1y agoIt sounds like you're moving goalposts. You started by saying: > Nothing really to see here. Normal course of business [...] And now you're shifting your position by saying "well, its more difficult elsewhere so this must be fine". You shouldn't worry, though - as long as the visa holders support the KKK and not a free Palestine, they can stay.
- _fs 1y agoYou say that as if Palantir does not already have all this information ready for AI analysis today.
- ux266478 1y agoOr that the NSA doesn't have it all centralized, tagged and sorted.
- aiauthoritydev 1y agoThis is not normal course of business at all. This is probably a wave of capricious decision making to "meet quota" because they are not able to find and catch illegal immigrants to make news.
- lajetl 1y agoThey're going to do a few keyword searches for things "Gaza" and "universal healthcare" and try to mass-deport anyone who used those words on social media. And if no one tries to stop them, then it will happen. Habeas Corpus is gone.
- josefritzishere 1y agoThat's probably true.
- seanicus 1y agoWhich is why the Trump admin will just default to Betar US, repping a foreign entity ethnostate, for their list of visas to revoke.
- slt2021 1y agothis is done to deport all pro-Palestine and anti-Zionist visa holders, with the help of Palantir. Social media posts have been scrubbed, list of people have been prepared, just a matter of cross-checking whether they are non-citizens and can be deported
- cpncrunch 1y agohttps://amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/palantir-babel-street-surveillance-pro-palestine-student-protestors-migrants/ https://amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/palantir-babel-street-s...
- barbazoo 1y agoI bet it's much more a campaign to instil fear in people with non-citizen status in general and for them to watch what they're doing and saying in general. People are already spread too thin to revolt anyway, the billionaire masters made sure of that by lowering wages until people were just near enough the poverty line that losing their job would mean ruin. Can't go protest if you have to put food on the table. Now you also have to worry not to be taken out of your community and sent to a random 3rd country. I bet that makes people be quiet real quick. I bet we'll see a widening of what's un-acceptable by the administration.
- aiauthoritydev 1y agoWell, the Israeli child abusing officer has left the country.
- cyanydeez 1y agoI'm sure there's more. The type of people who clamor for power often do so for the ability to do amoral things. It's unsuprising theres a mix of nazis and israelis at the helm of America's "self interest" and there's criminals, child molestors, rapists constantly being squeezed out.
- xnx 1y agoDoes this include H-1B fraud?
- cyanydeez 1y agoAnything that implicates businesses, unles clearly run by dirty communists, will be ignored.
- tdsanchez 1y agoIt should.
- rchaud 1y agoThere is no way 55 million visas can be reviewed in any reasonable amount of time (cue the "AI can do it" comments). The number of H1B visa holders is a tiny fraction of 55m, if they cared about reviewing those, it'd require a lot less in time and resources. Targeting H1b would also result in much stronger legal opposition. It takes a year to process less than 100k H1B applications annually, and companies have to pay thousands processing fees for each one. The goal of this is to discourage foreign students, refugee claimants and tourist visa holders from coming to America.
- Herring 1y agoNaturalized citizens are up next.
- pfannkuchen 1y agoBirthright citizenship revocation being applied retroactively is definitely lower hanging fruit than that. If that happens I would be concerned about naturalized citizens, but only then.
- FireBeyond 1y ago"If that happens" is still an "if", but, I mean, Republicans are actively working on that as we speak.
- pfannkuchen 1y agoSource? I haven’t seen anything about it and I just googled again and still don’t see anything (though that could be Google’s fault). I think legally it is possible since Supreme Court decisions are applied retroactively in general (just not the existing EO one because the EO was forward looking), but that would be super unpopular since it’s basically a huge rug pull and I’m skeptical they would do it.
- FireBeyond 1y agoI don’t know how it would apply retroactively but as a principle? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c983g6zpz28o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c983g6zpz28o
- pfannkuchen 1y agoRight so the thing that happened already they were working on before it happened, I agree. It seems like you are agitated about this and jumping to unsupported conclusions?
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- hodgehog11 1y agoHow many "mistakes" are going to be made in this process, I wonder? A colleague of mine had his student's visa status suddenly revoked a few months ago. Fortunately, the student's lawyers successfully argued in court that there were no grounds for revocation. It still isn't clear why any of it happened.
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- tdsanchez 1y agoSounds like you’re terrified of immigrants for lack of human understanding. Like a child. Here’s the thing - this whole experiment was built on stolen land with slave labor and there can never be immigration “justice” on stolen land. What problem is being solved by making “a few mistakes” because that’s what you have to do in such situations? Libertarian conservatives like yourself have created a service based economy where labor can’t afford to live where the work is making the economy inherently dependent on immigrants of any stripe. But like so many other things understood by people who think like 8 year olds we will have to learn the hard way that, for example, scaring away all the illegal Mexicans will result in billions in food losses and price increases on everything, but at least we got some bad immigrants, right?
- seanicus 1y ago1) I probably know very little about the rules & laws of your country, so it's fair that you clearly don't know much about America's Constitution/Bill of Rights. One of several violations of the constitution you're espousing, trashing Freedom of Speech is trashing an inalienable right in the US, arguably the MOST important. So yes, I want people incl. visa holders talking smack about the US and burning flags and perhaps most importantly not fearing losing citizenship for criticizing a foreign government. Esp. if it's a foreign power which is likely supplying a list of the visas that are to be revoked. Flag-burnings and criticism of the US govt are the chirping birdies in the mineshaft of freedom. You and other non-Americans think that they are experts in US governance from watching the TV. It's likely that you know more about it than the average US citizen knows about their (your) country's laws, but I'd suggest doing some more research. Or y'know just stick to expressing opinions about your country's govt, if they allow that. 2) Good to hear that my life (a born and bred 9th generation US citizen) and the lives of many others can be torn asunder as a rounding error. My community and myself have built their lives around people who are in the US on a variety of long-term visas that were guaranteed until oh say 213 days ago. 3) Unless your side can get the big dub (100 Year Reich), the pendulum swings both ways, baby. Probably going to be a while because there's no left-wing party in the US, but sooner or later this pain will be revisited upon your American counterparts tenfold. I don't like this, to be clear. I want that pendulum resting right in the middle. 4, I guess? I don't know anything about the Somali guy but sounds like you're admitting you don't either. You could start your research there but like many things foreign conservative critics of America point out, it doesn't sound particularly germane to national American politics.
- readthenotes1 1y ago55M visa holders ??? I had no idea it was that many. I thought 18M undocumented was a high %age! 342M people in the US. 16% visa holders I wonder how that compares to other countries? https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about.html https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about....
- anigbrowl 1y agoHistorically this isn't exceptional, and is arguably a reversion ot hte mean following the disruption of a WW2 and its aftershocks. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/imm... I thought 18M undocumented was a high %age! Seems inflated. Reliable estimates run around 2/3 of that. Higher numbers always seem anchored only by handwavey 'there must be more because reasons', which is why you regularly see people claiming sums of 20m, 30m, 40m. The current president has a habit of picking arbitrary numbers based on his feelings, but that doesn't sem a very reliable system to me. https://ohss.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-06/2024_0418_ohss_estimates-of-the-unauthorized-immigrant-population-residing-in-the-united-states-january-2018%25E2%2580%2593january-2022.pdf https://ohss.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-06/2024_0418_o...
- verzali 1y agoSurely includes a lot of tourist visas, and many of these people might be outside the US already but the visa just hasn't expired yet. Or people who need to come frequently for business trips.
- staringback 1y agoThink about what a "visa holder" might be and then try your comment again.
- hdgvhicv 1y agoTourist visas, Business visas, temporary work visas There are 55m visas, majority of which are non immigrant visas.
- slt2021 1y agoWhy is this flagged, can anyone explain? Seems relevant since a lot of tech ppl are on visa
- drewbug01 1y agoThe reason for the flag is always the same: because they don’t want to talk about it here. The real question is: why don’t people want to talk about it? I’ve found it typically falls into three camps: One group flags these kinds of stories because they’re exhausted, and can’t stomach any more. I feel bad for this group, and I understand the impulse. Another group flags because suppressing information about what the administration is up to aligns with their personal ideology. This is the more dangerous group, and I’m always sad to see people coming out in support of awful stuff like this. The last group flags it because it annoys them, and they don’t want to engage with it. It makes them uncomfortable and they feel it doesn’t impact them. They point to the HN guidelines and say it’s not relevant. It is, they’re just lucky enough to have not been affected personally by anything yet. I pity the last group, honestly.
- Jackson__ 1y agoPossibly a fourth group of startup founders and investors that don't want H1B pipelines to dry up as a result of constant bad news.
- foogazi 1y ago> Possibly a fourth group of startup founders and investors that don't want H1B pipelines to dry up as a result of constant bad news. Seems far fetched, if anything H1B are limited BECAUSE of the H1B cap/lottery system
- barbazoo 1y agoThere are obviously N groups but one you're missing might be the people that just don't think it's a topic that fits the purpose of this space, at least how it's stated in the guidelines. > On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. I can't help but feel that stories like these fall under "off-topic".
- barbazoo 1y agoThis might be obvious to others but to me this story really made it clear to me that this is probably much about fear. Fear of stepping out of line, drawing attention to yourself and as a result at best getting into trouble, or at worst deported. The admin makes it clear, if you have opposing views and share them, you're not welcome here.
- hearsathought 1y agoFall semester is about to start. Don't think the timing is a coincidence. Israel really doesn't like people criticizing and protesting against them. Especially on college campuses.
- barbazoo 1y agoThey don't care really about Israel I think, what leverage would they have to pressure the US admin to do anything? I think this is about being critical of the people in government in general. If everyone is at risk of being deported, who would go and protest anything? That would certainly make me think twice about it.
- SuperNinKenDo 1y agoI don't understand how you can ask that question with a straight face given the last 50 odd years.
- hearsathought 1y agoThey have been very open and vocal about their reason. And it's not just the republicans. The democrats also support it as well. Pretty much the only thing the republicans and democrats both agree on.
- Tostino 1y agoDemocratic politicians* the voters very much do not support Israel.
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- Ms-J 1y agoThis is only about protecting Israel. From the article: The review of all visa holders appears to be a significant expansion of what had initially been a process focused mainly on students who have been involved in what the government perceives as pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel activity.
- aaomidi 1y agoAmerica first etc etc
- Centigonal 1y agoIt was originally about that, but this expansion appears to be more general, no?
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y agoIt's unclear from the passage. The "significant expansion" sounds like it could be referring to who is being examined or the violations authorities are looking for or both.
- sagarm 1y agoSeems unlikely this will convince anyone that disagrees with Israeli policy that they're wrong. Quite the opposite, I imagine. That can't be good for long term support of Israel by America.
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- greatgib 1y agoThe fell fast on the slippery slope in US. Officials say the reviews will include all visa holders’ social media accounts, law enforcement and immigration records in their home countries, along with any actionable violations of U.S. law committed while they were in the United States. The reviews will include new tools for data collection on past, present and future visa applicants, including a complete scouring of social media sites made possible by new requirements introduced earlier this year. Those make it mandatory for privacy switches on cellphones and other electronic devices or apps to be turned off when an applicant appears for a visa interview. "I have nothing to hide" kind of people will get a nice surprise when they will be deported for liking a post against Trump...
- AugSun 1y ago"Those make it mandatory for privacy switches on cellphones and other electronic devices or apps to be _turned off_ when an applicant appears for a _visa interview_." This is direct violation of GDPR and similar law. US may go fuck themselves with such interviews. I will never set my foot in that dumpster. It also sets really bad precedent - EU will retaliate and soon we all will have to unlock and present our phones at any (semi)official procedure. Hell, even when board a train or a bus ... What a joke! Time to tell personal electronic devices good bye.