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In the last few months we have worked with startups who have vibe coded themselves into an abyss. Either because they never made the correct hires in the first

by jryio 1y ago

In the last few months we have worked with startups who have vibe coded themselves into an abyss. Either because they never made the correct hires in the first place or they let technical talent go. [1] The thinking was that they could iterate faster, ship better code, and have an always on 10x engineer in the form of Claude code. I've observed perfectly rational founders become addicted to the dopamine hit as they see Claude code output what looks like weeks or years of software engineering work. It's overgenerous to allow anyone to believe AI can actually "think" or "reason" through complex problems. Perhaps we should be measuring time saved typing rather than cognition. [1] vibebusters.com

DirkH 1y ago
Give it a year or 2. Its not like 2 years ago everyone wasn't saying it would be 10+ years before AI can do what it does now.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  >Its not like 2 years ago everyone wasn't saying it would be 10+ years before AI can do what it does now. So far I don't see that notion disproved. Ai still doesn't truly "reason with" nor understand the data it outputs.
JustExAWS 1y ago
As if startups before LLMs were creating great code. Right now on the front page, a YC company is offering a “Founding Full Stack Engineer” $100K-$150K. What quality of code do you think they will end up with? https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/text-ai/jobs/OJBr0v2-founding-full-stack-engineer https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/text-ai/jobs/OJBr0v2-f...
- zdragnar 1y ago
  Notably, that is a company that... adds AI to group chats. Startups offering crap salaries with a vague promise of equity in a vague product idea with no moat are a dime a dozen, and have been well before LLMs came around.
  - JustExAWS 1y ago
    How did they get YC funding? It doesn’t seem like they have even a POC or any technical employees.
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    - cde-v 1y ago
      Have you seen the companies YC has been funding recently? All you need to do is mention AI and YC will throw some money your way. I don't know if you saw my first attempt at a post, but someone should suggest AI for HN comment formatting and I'm sure it will be funded. Acrely — AI for HVAC administration Aden — AI for ERP operations AgentHub — AI for agent simulation and evaluation Agentin AI — AI for enterprise agents AgentMail — AI for agent email infrastructure AlphaWatch AI — AI for financial search Alter — AI for secure agent workflow access control Altur — AI for debt collection voice agents Ambral — AI for account management Anytrace — AI for support engineering April — AI for voice executive assistants AutoComputer — AI for robotic desktop automation Autosana — AI for mobile QA Autotab — AI for knowledge work Avent — AI for industrial commerce b-12 — AI for chemical intelligence Bluebirds — AI for outbound targeting burnt — AI for food supply chain operations Cactus — AI for smartphone model deployment Candytrail — AI for sales funnel automation CareSwift — AI for ambulance operations Certus AI — AI for restaurant phone lines Clarm — AI for search and agent building Clodo — AI for real estate CRMs Closera — AI for commercial real estate employees Clueso — AI for instructional content generation cocreate — AI for video editing Comena — AI for order automation in distribution ContextFort — AI for construction drawing reviews Convexia — AI for pharma drug discovery Credal.ai — AI for enterprise workflow assistants CTGT — AI for preventing hallucinations Cyberdesk — AI for legacy desktop automation datafruit — AI for DevOps engineering Daymi — AI for personal clones DeepAware AI — AI for data center efficiency Defog.ai — AI for natural-language data queries Design Arena — AI for design benchmarks Doe — AI for autonomous private equity workforce Double – Coding Copilot — AI for coding assistance EffiGov — AI for local government call centers Eloquent AI — AI for complex financial workflows F4 — AI for compliance in engineering drawings Finto — AI for enterprise accounting Flai — AI for dealership customer acquisition Floot — AI for app building Fluidize — AI for scientific experiments Flywheel AI — AI for excavator autonomy Freya — AI for financial services voice agents Frizzle — AI for teacher grading Galini — AI guardrails as a service Gaus — AI for retail investors Ghostship — AI for UX bug detection Golpo — AI for video generation from documents Halluminate — AI for training computer use HealthKey — AI for clinical trial matching Hera — AI for motion design Humoniq — AI for BPO in travel and transport Hyprnote — AI for enterprise notetaking Imprezia — AI for ad networks Induction Labs — AI for computer use automation iollo — AI for multimodal biological data Iron Grid — AI for hardware insurance IronLedger.ai — AI for property accounting Janet AI — AI for project management (AI-native Jira) Kernel — AI for web agent browsing infrastructure Kestroll — AI for media asset management Keystone — AI for software engineering Knowlify — AI for explainer video creation Kyber — AI for regulatory notice drafting Lanesurf — AI for freight booking voice automation Lantern — AI for Postgres application development Lark — AI for billing operations Latent — AI for medical language models Lemma — AI for consumer brand insights Linkana — AI for supplier onboarding reviews Liva AI — AI for video and voice data labeling Locata — AI for healthcare referral management Lopus AI — AI for deal intelligence Lotas — AI for data science IDEs Louiza Labs — AI for synthetic biology data Luminai — AI for business process automation Magnetic — AI for tax preparation MangoDesk — AI for evaluation data Maven Bio — AI for BioPharma insights Meteor — AI for web browsing (AI-native browser) Mimos — AI for regulated firm visibility in search Minimal AI — AI for e-commerce customer support Mobile Operator — AI for mobile QA Mohi — AI for workflow clarity Monarcha — AI for GIS platforms moonrepo — AI for developer workflow tooling Motives — AI for consumer research Nautilus — AI for car wash optimization NOSO LABS — AI for field technician support Nottelabs — AI for enterprise web agents Novaflow — AI for biology lab analytics Nozomio — AI for contextual coding agents Oki — AI for company intelligence Okibi — AI for agent building Omnara — AI for agent command centers OnDeck AI — AI for video analysis Onyx — AI for generative platform development Opennote — AI for note-based tutoring Opslane — AI for ETL data pipelines Orange Slice — AI for sales lead generation Outlit — AI for quoting and proposals Outrove — AI for Salesforce Pally — AI for relationship management Paloma — AI for billing CRMs Parachute — AI for clinical evaluation and deployment PARES AI — AI for commercial real estate brokers People.ai — AI for enterprise growth insights Perspectives Health — AI for clinic EMRs Pharmie AI — AI for pharmacy technicians Phases — AI for clinical trial automation Pingo AI — AI for language learning companions Pleom — AI for conversational interaction Qualify.bot — AI for commercial lending phone agents Reacher — AI for creator collaboration marketing Ridecell — AI for fleet operations Risely AI — AI for campus administration Risotto — AI for IT helpdesk automation Riverbank Security — AI for offensive security Saphira AI — AI for certification automation Sendbird — AI for omnichannel agents Sentinel — AI for on-call engineering Serafis — AI for institutional investor knowledge graphs Sigmantic AI — AI for HDL design Sira — AI for HR management of hourly teams Socratix AI — AI for fraud and risk teams Solva — AI for insurance Spotlight Realty — AI for real estate brokerage StackAI — AI for low-code agent platforms stagewise — AI for frontend coding agents Stellon Labs — AI for edge device models Stockline — AI for food wholesaler ERP Stormy AI — AI for influencer marketing Synthetic Society — AI for simulating real users SynthioLabs — AI for medical expertise in pharma Tailor — AI for retail ERP automation Tecto AI — AI for governance of AI employees Tesora — AI for procurement analysis Trace — AI for workflow automation TraceRoot.AI — AI for automated bug fixing truthsystems — AI for regulated governance layers Uplift AI — AI for underserved voice languages Veles — AI for dynamic sales pricing Veritus Agent — AI for loan servicing and collections Verne Robotics — AI for robotic arms VoiceOS — AI for voice interviews VoxOps AI — AI for regulated industry calls Vulcan Technologies — AI for regulatory drafting Waydev — AI for engineering leadership insights Wayline — AI for property management voice automation Wedge — AI for healthcare trust layers Workflow86 — AI for workflow automation ZeroEval — AI for agent evaluation and optimization
gregoryl 1y ago
Shush please. I wasn't old enough to cash in on the Y2K contracting boons; I'm hoping the vibe coding 200k LOC b2b AI slop "please help us scale to 200 users" contracting gigs will be lucrative.
s_dev 1y ago
Completely agree, software developers need to be using agentic coding as a writing tool not as a thinking tool.

by jryio 1y ago

DirkH 1y ago

Give it a year or 2. Its not like 2 years ago everyone wasn't saying it would be 10+ years before AI can do what it does now.

johnnyanmac 1y ago
>Its not like 2 years ago everyone wasn't saying it would be 10+ years before AI can do what it does now. So far I don't see that notion disproved. Ai still doesn't truly "reason with" nor understand the data it outputs.

JustExAWS 1y ago

As if startups before LLMs were creating great code. Right now on the front page, a YC company is offering a “Founding Full Stack Engineer” $100K-$150K. What quality of code do you think they will end up with? https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/text-ai/jobs/OJBr0v2-founding-full-stack-engineer https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/text-ai/jobs/OJBr0v2-f...

zdragnar 1y ago
Notably, that is a company that... adds AI to group chats. Startups offering crap salaries with a vague promise of equity in a vague product idea with no moat are a dime a dozen, and have been well before LLMs came around.
- JustExAWS 1y ago
  How did they get YC funding? It doesn’t seem like they have even a POC or any technical employees.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - cde-v 1y ago
    Have you seen the companies YC has been funding recently? All you need to do is mention AI and YC will throw some money your way. I don't know if you saw my first attempt at a post, but someone should suggest AI for HN comment formatting and I'm sure it will be funded. Acrely — AI for HVAC administration Aden — AI for ERP operations AgentHub — AI for agent simulation and evaluation Agentin AI — AI for enterprise agents AgentMail — AI for agent email infrastructure AlphaWatch AI — AI for financial search Alter — AI for secure agent workflow access control Altur — AI for debt collection voice agents Ambral — AI for account management Anytrace — AI for support engineering April — AI for voice executive assistants AutoComputer — AI for robotic desktop automation Autosana — AI for mobile QA Autotab — AI for knowledge work Avent — AI for industrial commerce b-12 — AI for chemical intelligence Bluebirds — AI for outbound targeting burnt — AI for food supply chain operations Cactus — AI for smartphone model deployment Candytrail — AI for sales funnel automation CareSwift — AI for ambulance operations Certus AI — AI for restaurant phone lines Clarm — AI for search and agent building Clodo — AI for real estate CRMs Closera — AI for commercial real estate employees Clueso — AI for instructional content generation cocreate — AI for video editing Comena — AI for order automation in distribution ContextFort — AI for construction drawing reviews Convexia — AI for pharma drug discovery Credal.ai — AI for enterprise workflow assistants CTGT — AI for preventing hallucinations Cyberdesk — AI for legacy desktop automation datafruit — AI for DevOps engineering Daymi — AI for personal clones DeepAware AI — AI for data center efficiency Defog.ai — AI for natural-language data queries Design Arena — AI for design benchmarks Doe — AI for autonomous private equity workforce Double – Coding Copilot — AI for coding assistance EffiGov — AI for local government call centers Eloquent AI — AI for complex financial workflows F4 — AI for compliance in engineering drawings Finto — AI for enterprise accounting Flai — AI for dealership customer acquisition Floot — AI for app building Fluidize — AI for scientific experiments Flywheel AI — AI for excavator autonomy Freya — AI for financial services voice agents Frizzle — AI for teacher grading Galini — AI guardrails as a service Gaus — AI for retail investors Ghostship — AI for UX bug detection Golpo — AI for video generation from documents Halluminate — AI for training computer use HealthKey — AI for clinical trial matching Hera — AI for motion design Humoniq — AI for BPO in travel and transport Hyprnote — AI for enterprise notetaking Imprezia — AI for ad networks Induction Labs — AI for computer use automation iollo — AI for multimodal biological data Iron Grid — AI for hardware insurance IronLedger.ai — AI for property accounting Janet AI — AI for project management (AI-native Jira) Kernel — AI for web agent browsing infrastructure Kestroll — AI for media asset management Keystone — AI for software engineering Knowlify — AI for explainer video creation Kyber — AI for regulatory notice drafting Lanesurf — AI for freight booking voice automation Lantern — AI for Postgres application development Lark — AI for billing operations Latent — AI for medical language models Lemma — AI for consumer brand insights Linkana — AI for supplier onboarding reviews Liva AI — AI for video and voice data labeling Locata — AI for healthcare referral management Lopus AI — AI for deal intelligence Lotas — AI for data science IDEs Louiza Labs — AI for synthetic biology data Luminai — AI for business process automation Magnetic — AI for tax preparation MangoDesk — AI for evaluation data Maven Bio — AI for BioPharma insights Meteor — AI for web browsing (AI-native browser) Mimos — AI for regulated firm visibility in search Minimal AI — AI for e-commerce customer support Mobile Operator — AI for mobile QA Mohi — AI for workflow clarity Monarcha — AI for GIS platforms moonrepo — AI for developer workflow tooling Motives — AI for consumer research Nautilus — AI for car wash optimization NOSO LABS — AI for field technician support Nottelabs — AI for enterprise web agents Novaflow — AI for biology lab analytics Nozomio — AI for contextual coding agents Oki — AI for company intelligence Okibi — AI for agent building Omnara — AI for agent command centers OnDeck AI — AI for video analysis Onyx — AI for generative platform development Opennote — AI for note-based tutoring Opslane — AI for ETL data pipelines Orange Slice — AI for sales lead generation Outlit — AI for quoting and proposals Outrove — AI for Salesforce Pally — AI for relationship management Paloma — AI for billing CRMs Parachute — AI for clinical evaluation and deployment PARES AI — AI for commercial real estate brokers People.ai — AI for enterprise growth insights Perspectives Health — AI for clinic EMRs Pharmie AI — AI for pharmacy technicians Phases — AI for clinical trial automation Pingo AI — AI for language learning companions Pleom — AI for conversational interaction Qualify.bot — AI for commercial lending phone agents Reacher — AI for creator collaboration marketing Ridecell — AI for fleet operations Risely AI — AI for campus administration Risotto — AI for IT helpdesk automation Riverbank Security — AI for offensive security Saphira AI — AI for certification automation Sendbird — AI for omnichannel agents Sentinel — AI for on-call engineering Serafis — AI for institutional investor knowledge graphs Sigmantic AI — AI for HDL design Sira — AI for HR management of hourly teams Socratix AI — AI for fraud and risk teams Solva — AI for insurance Spotlight Realty — AI for real estate brokerage StackAI — AI for low-code agent platforms stagewise — AI for frontend coding agents Stellon Labs — AI for edge device models Stockline — AI for food wholesaler ERP Stormy AI — AI for influencer marketing Synthetic Society — AI for simulating real users SynthioLabs — AI for medical expertise in pharma Tailor — AI for retail ERP automation Tecto AI — AI for governance of AI employees Tesora — AI for procurement analysis Trace — AI for workflow automation TraceRoot.AI — AI for automated bug fixing truthsystems — AI for regulated governance layers Uplift AI — AI for underserved voice languages Veles — AI for dynamic sales pricing Veritus Agent — AI for loan servicing and collections Verne Robotics — AI for robotic arms VoiceOS — AI for voice interviews VoxOps AI — AI for regulated industry calls Vulcan Technologies — AI for regulatory drafting Waydev — AI for engineering leadership insights Wayline — AI for property management voice automation Wedge — AI for healthcare trust layers Workflow86 — AI for workflow automation ZeroEval — AI for agent evaluation and optimization

gregoryl 1y ago

Shush please. I wasn't old enough to cash in on the Y2K contracting boons; I'm hoping the vibe coding 200k LOC b2b AI slop "please help us scale to 200 users" contracting gigs will be lucrative.

s_dev 1y ago

Completely agree, software developers need to be using agentic coding as a writing tool not as a thinking tool.