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This isn't AI damaging anything. This is corporations damaging things. Same as it ever was. No need for scifi non-human persons when legal corporate persons exi

This isn't AI damaging anything. This is corporations damaging things. Same as it ever was. No need for scifi non-human persons when legal corporate persons exist. They latch on to whatever big new thing in tech that people don't understand which comes along and brand themselves with it and cause damage trying to make money; even if they mostly fail at it. And for most actual humans they only ever see or interact with the scammy corporation versions of $techthing and so come to believe $techthing = corporate behavior. And as for denying service and preventing human people from visiting websites: cloudflare does more of that damage in a single day than all these "AI" associated corporations and their crappy crawlers have in years.

autoexec 1y ago
> This isn't AI damaging anything. This is corporations damaging things. This is corporations damaging things because of AI. Corporations will damage things for other reasons too but the only reason they are breaking the internet in this way, at this time, is because of AI. I think the "AI doesn't kill websites, corporations kill websites" argument is as flawed as the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument.
- superkuh 1y ago
  Correct. It's a good, legitimate argument in both contexts. I use both local AI and local firearms as a human person and I am not doing, and have not done, damage to anyone. The tools aren't the problem. The problem in this case is the near complete protection from legal liability that corporate structures give to the people behaving badly. Like how Coca Cola can get away with killing people (https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/ https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/) but a person can't, if you want to keep the firearms analogy going. But it's a bad analogy because the firearms as tool actually at least are involved in the bad (and good) actions. AI itself isn't even involved in the HTTP requests and probably isn't even running on the same premises.
ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
Cloudflare exists because people can't be good stewards of the internet. > This isn't AI damaging anything. This is corporations damaging things This is the guns don't kill people, people kill people argument. The problem with crawlers is about 10x worse than it was previously because of AI and their hunger for data.

autoexec 1y ago

> This isn't AI damaging anything. This is corporations damaging things. This is corporations damaging things because of AI. Corporations will damage things for other reasons too but the only reason they are breaking the internet in this way, at this time, is because of AI. I think the "AI doesn't kill websites, corporations kill websites" argument is as flawed as the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument.

superkuh 1y ago
Correct. It's a good, legitimate argument in both contexts. I use both local AI and local firearms as a human person and I am not doing, and have not done, damage to anyone. The tools aren't the problem. The problem in this case is the near complete protection from legal liability that corporate structures give to the people behaving badly. Like how Coca Cola can get away with killing people (https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/ https://prospect.org/features/coca-cola-killings/) but a person can't, if you want to keep the firearms analogy going. But it's a bad analogy because the firearms as tool actually at least are involved in the bad (and good) actions. AI itself isn't even involved in the HTTP requests and probably isn't even running on the same premises.

ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago

Cloudflare exists because people can't be good stewards of the internet. > This isn't AI damaging anything. This is corporations damaging things This is the guns don't kill people, people kill people argument. The problem with crawlers is about 10x worse than it was previously because of AI and their hunger for data.