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This is how America ends up being ahead of the rest of world with every new technology breakthrough. They spend a lot of money, lose a lot of money, take risks,

This is how America ends up being ahead of the rest of world with every new technology breakthrough. They spend a lot of money, lose a lot of money, take risks, and then end up being too far for others to catch up. Trying to claim victory against AI/US Companies this early is a dangerous move.

ta20240528 1y ago
> This is how America ends up being ahead of the rest of world with every new technology breakthrough. Too young to remember GSM?
- eldenring 1y ago
  I don't think its controversial to say that in net, the US has had a good streak so far with new technologies. Yeah there have been some pretty big misses, but obviously the wins more than make up for them.
  - ta20240528 1y ago
    The OP said "every" new technology. I just showed this is not true. There are plenty other examples. From the down-votes - either we don't all agree on a common definition of Kings English, or it challenges some members self-identity.
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vdupras 1y ago
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- onlypassingthru 1y ago
  Wasn't half of Napoleon's army gone by the time he reached Moscow?[0] It's the sunk cost fallacy writ large with dead bodies, no? [0]https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Napoleon-march-graphic-Charles-Joseph-Minards-narrative-map-of-Napoleons-disastrous_fig7_365610171 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Napoleon-march-graphic-C...
  - vdupras 1y ago
    Certainly, and they lost the other half on the way home. On the way to Moscow, there was still something to look forward to. In Moscow, with no supply, dying like flies, all they had to look forward to was a long march through the Almighty Intense Winter, during which they'd be dying like flies too.
- dang 1y ago
  "Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - vdupras 1y ago
    I have trouble understanding how that guideline applies here. The original article shows how it's possible that we're about to see an AI bubble pop, the parent comment show generic american arrogance[1], and I come up with a historical example of such a mix of hubris and arrogance. If my comment can be characterized as flamebait, it has to be to a lesser degree than the parent, right? And I'm not even claiming that the situation applies. If you take the strongest plausible interpretation of my comment, it says that if indeed this whole AI bubble is hubris, if indeed there's a huge fallout, then the leaders of this merry adventure, right now, must feel like Napoleon entering Moscow. But well, anyways, cheers dang, it's a tough job. [1]: the strongest possible interpretation of "This is how America ends up being ahead of the rest of world with every new technology breakthrough" is arrogance, right?
    - eldenring 1y ago
      I'm not American, I think its sad to see my country dismiss AI and continue to fall behind.
      - vdupras 1y ago
        It's alright, I'm not French :) But yeah, I have to be colored surprised. I was certain I was replying to arrogance, rather than (possibly misplaced) admiration. I guess that puts me on the wrong side of the moderation fence. Sorry.
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    - dang 1y ago
9dev 1y ago
I’m not sure you can even generalise that much anymore. The US banking system is stuck in the dark ages compared to other countries, China is leading in electric cars, photovoltaics. and lots of other industries. You could make that claim for the software industry, but I’m pretty sure a big part of the US moat is due to oligopolies, lock-in effects, or corruption in favour of billionaires and their ventures.
hiddencost 1y ago
Like solar power? Or electric cars? Or drones?
pepinator 1y ago
That's an awfully simplistic way of seeing things. It always surprises me how disconnected from reality Americans are.

ta20240528 1y ago

> This is how America ends up being ahead of the rest of world with every new technology breakthrough. Too young to remember GSM?

eldenring 1y ago
I don't think its controversial to say that in net, the US has had a good streak so far with new technologies. Yeah there have been some pretty big misses, but obviously the wins more than make up for them.
- ta20240528 1y ago
  The OP said "every" new technology. I just showed this is not true. There are plenty other examples. From the down-votes - either we don't all agree on a common definition of Kings English, or it challenges some members self-identity.
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vdupras 1y ago

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onlypassingthru 1y ago
Wasn't half of Napoleon's army gone by the time he reached Moscow?[0] It's the sunk cost fallacy writ large with dead bodies, no? [0]https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Napoleon-march-graphic-Charles-Joseph-Minards-narrative-map-of-Napoleons-disastrous_fig7_365610171 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Napoleon-march-graphic-C...
- vdupras 1y ago
  Certainly, and they lost the other half on the way home. On the way to Moscow, there was still something to look forward to. In Moscow, with no supply, dying like flies, all they had to look forward to was a long march through the Almighty Intense Winter, during which they'd be dying like flies too.
dang 1y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- vdupras 1y ago
  I have trouble understanding how that guideline applies here. The original article shows how it's possible that we're about to see an AI bubble pop, the parent comment show generic american arrogance[1], and I come up with a historical example of such a mix of hubris and arrogance. If my comment can be characterized as flamebait, it has to be to a lesser degree than the parent, right? And I'm not even claiming that the situation applies. If you take the strongest plausible interpretation of my comment, it says that if indeed this whole AI bubble is hubris, if indeed there's a huge fallout, then the leaders of this merry adventure, right now, must feel like Napoleon entering Moscow. But well, anyways, cheers dang, it's a tough job. [1]: the strongest possible interpretation of "This is how America ends up being ahead of the rest of world with every new technology breakthrough" is arrogance, right?
  - eldenring 1y ago
    I'm not American, I think its sad to see my country dismiss AI and continue to fall behind.
    - vdupras 1y ago
      It's alright, I'm not French :) But yeah, I have to be colored surprised. I was certain I was replying to arrogance, rather than (possibly misplaced) admiration. I guess that puts me on the wrong side of the moderation fence. Sorry.
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  - dang 1y ago

9dev 1y ago

I’m not sure you can even generalise that much anymore. The US banking system is stuck in the dark ages compared to other countries, China is leading in electric cars, photovoltaics. and lots of other industries. You could make that claim for the software industry, but I’m pretty sure a big part of the US moat is due to oligopolies, lock-in effects, or corruption in favour of billionaires and their ventures.

hiddencost 1y ago

Like solar power? Or electric cars? Or drones?

pepinator 1y ago

That's an awfully simplistic way of seeing things. It always surprises me how disconnected from reality Americans are.