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I know the history, but then there is just cold hard current day reality you have to reckon with. I don't felt like you answered my question. Vietnam is going t

I know the history, but then there is just cold hard current day reality you have to reckon with. I don't felt like you answered my question. Vietnam is going to be looking at the way the USA is treating it's allies right now and thinking seriously about the way forwards. If you think they're not asking themselves some pretty hard questions, I think you might be a bit deluded. I mean, do you truly think the USA will come to Vietnam's side if it's invaded by China? Honestly? look at all the whining about helping Ukraine and you think the current administration will enter a hot war with China over Vietnam? 90% of Americans wouldn't even know where that is. Regarding India and Russia, they're already allies, they already do significant trade, I'm not sure what you're reading but I don't think India is by default America first. They nuclear armed, so they have that "f u" card to play as well. I'm not based in the west either sorry. I wouldn't say I'm a "western liberal", I see you've already made up your mind though.

safety1st 1y ago
I mean, what is this stuff you're making up about the US and Vietnam being allies? Is that your head canon? What does Vietnam do as a part of this alliance? If you think those two countries were ever allies in any serious military or political sense you're deluded. The US is Vietnam's biggest customer and they changed the terms under which they're willing to buy stuff, that's all. You also better believe that when tensions flare up between Vietnam and China again, Vietnam will be begging the US for help. On a personal level I am American and the most annoying thing about living in Southeast Asia quite frankly is how much people here seem to think they deserve my money in exchange for selling me low quality shit I don't need or want. You can't have my money. Go away. We can end the relationship and I will be perfectly happy without you. It's amazing how this parallels foreign relations.
- watwut 1y ago
  The point was not that they are allies. The point was that USA is very unreliable ally. They will promise things, take away what they want and won't deliver. It is an ally that sees allies as suckers and treats them badly. Basically, the point was that aspiring to be USA ally is not worth the effort.
  - safety1st 1y ago
    This is all a lot of smoke but no fire. There is no alliance and never will be beyond what is directly and immediately expedient. These countries would like to sell things to the US, aka they want it to run a trade deficit with them. They also would like the US to lend them military aid if they get into violent trouble with their neighbor. What does the US get out of this? What is the point? Who cares if they don't think America's a good ally? They're going to keep on marketing their shit to America, asking America for military support, and offering not much in return either way. As noted, the countries under discussion generally dislike each other a lot more than they dislike this particular US President who will be gone in 3 years anyway. All smoke. No fire. They will do nothing except agree to the tariffs, because there is nothing for them to do. I think Trump should treat actual allies, like Japan or Canada, better. But India, Vietnam and China? Fuck em. Nothing against them particularly, in fact I have professional relationships with some good people in all three of those countries. But they are not allies and were never going to be, they were always just vendors. If they decide they don't like us and don't want to take our money (they won't decide this), fine. We can spend it elsewhere.
    - watwut 1y ago
      It kinda sounds like you made a lot of stuff or rather, eaten fox news entirely. > They also would like the US to lend them military aid if they get into violent trouble with their neighbor. Nah, USA promised millitary aid, but invariably just takes away while making the promis and then do not deliver. >I think Trump should treat actual allies, like Japan or Canada, better. Well, he does not. Actually, he treats them worst then he treats China, India, Vietnam, Russia. > But India, Vietnam and China? Note that the actual topic is 'graemep' thinking USA is better ally then China. And people telling him that nope, USA looks like worst less reliable ally then China or India.
    - bamboozled 1y ago
      Who cares if they don't think America's a good ally? You will find out I guess...
    - throwawayqqq11 1y ago
- throwawa5 1y ago
  > What does Vietnam do as a part of this alliance? Buys American arms, lets US naval assets use its ports (including aircraft carriers), probably a lot of intelligence cooperation we're not aware of. > You also better believe that when tensions flare up between Vietnam and China again, Vietnam will be begging the US for help. The more likely scenario is that the US comes begging Vietnam for help in some future conflict because China shut down the South China Sea as part of a blockade of Taiwan, and used missiles to render all US airbases in the region unusable.

safety1st 1y ago

I mean, what is this stuff you're making up about the US and Vietnam being allies? Is that your head canon? What does Vietnam do as a part of this alliance? If you think those two countries were ever allies in any serious military or political sense you're deluded. The US is Vietnam's biggest customer and they changed the terms under which they're willing to buy stuff, that's all. You also better believe that when tensions flare up between Vietnam and China again, Vietnam will be begging the US for help. On a personal level I am American and the most annoying thing about living in Southeast Asia quite frankly is how much people here seem to think they deserve my money in exchange for selling me low quality shit I don't need or want. You can't have my money. Go away. We can end the relationship and I will be perfectly happy without you. It's amazing how this parallels foreign relations.

watwut 1y ago
The point was not that they are allies. The point was that USA is very unreliable ally. They will promise things, take away what they want and won't deliver. It is an ally that sees allies as suckers and treats them badly. Basically, the point was that aspiring to be USA ally is not worth the effort.
- safety1st 1y ago
  This is all a lot of smoke but no fire. There is no alliance and never will be beyond what is directly and immediately expedient. These countries would like to sell things to the US, aka they want it to run a trade deficit with them. They also would like the US to lend them military aid if they get into violent trouble with their neighbor. What does the US get out of this? What is the point? Who cares if they don't think America's a good ally? They're going to keep on marketing their shit to America, asking America for military support, and offering not much in return either way. As noted, the countries under discussion generally dislike each other a lot more than they dislike this particular US President who will be gone in 3 years anyway. All smoke. No fire. They will do nothing except agree to the tariffs, because there is nothing for them to do. I think Trump should treat actual allies, like Japan or Canada, better. But India, Vietnam and China? Fuck em. Nothing against them particularly, in fact I have professional relationships with some good people in all three of those countries. But they are not allies and were never going to be, they were always just vendors. If they decide they don't like us and don't want to take our money (they won't decide this), fine. We can spend it elsewhere.
  - watwut 1y ago
    It kinda sounds like you made a lot of stuff or rather, eaten fox news entirely. > They also would like the US to lend them military aid if they get into violent trouble with their neighbor. Nah, USA promised millitary aid, but invariably just takes away while making the promis and then do not deliver. >I think Trump should treat actual allies, like Japan or Canada, better. Well, he does not. Actually, he treats them worst then he treats China, India, Vietnam, Russia. > But India, Vietnam and China? Note that the actual topic is 'graemep' thinking USA is better ally then China. And people telling him that nope, USA looks like worst less reliable ally then China or India.
  - bamboozled 1y ago
    Who cares if they don't think America's a good ally? You will find out I guess...
  - throwawayqqq11 1y ago
throwawa5 1y ago
> What does Vietnam do as a part of this alliance? Buys American arms, lets US naval assets use its ports (including aircraft carriers), probably a lot of intelligence cooperation we're not aware of. > You also better believe that when tensions flare up between Vietnam and China again, Vietnam will be begging the US for help. The more likely scenario is that the US comes begging Vietnam for help in some future conflict because China shut down the South China Sea as part of a blockade of Taiwan, and used missiles to render all US airbases in the region unusable.