> I'm not agreeing with you any more than a middle-ish politician that gets endorsed by some hate group is agreeing with them. Ok, then you should adopt a posi

> I'm not agreeing with you any more than a middle-ish politician that gets endorsed by some hate group is agreeing with them. Ok, then you should adopt a position contrary to mine. Again, I agree that the ME is complex, but I'm not sure how that disputes the fact that the Western world has meddled in their affairs and destabilized ME countries to the point that they can no longer function independently and fall to authoritarian governments (or have one installed). > The nations of the middle east have fucked with each other more than anyone has fucked with them in the past 50yr Yes, their neighbors have "fucked with them," but the West has "fucked with them" more and caused more lasting damage. For example, in the past 50 years, the US has overthrown the government of Iran, materially supported both belligerents in the Iran-Iraq war, trained and funded and provided material support to militias in Syria and Yemen (including non-stop drone strikes for literally years), supported Israel apartheid unconditionally, invaded Iraq twice, not to mention the 20 year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which have completely gutted those countries ability to self-govern. Even internal conflicts in the Middle East are stoked and backed by Western powers. Also funny that you mention bin Laden, he's a good example of blowback resulting from US intervention.