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I genuinely do not understand this claim and propaganda about Apple privacy. 1) it's known they scan all your content and pics on iCloud 2) the phone's always

I genuinely do not understand this claim and propaganda about Apple privacy. 1) it's known they scan all your content and pics on iCloud 2) the phone's always listening, always 3) once that I forgot my password to the MacBook, all one needed to do to access my data was to enter recovery mode and reset the password. Sure it logged me off from browser sessions, but all my files where there available to anybody To me apple is overly invasive with their icloud accounts and things, and password resets taking weeks, yet I see no evidence it is any harder to get my data than on other devices, if anything, it's easier. So what is the claim here? Some tracking less by advertisers? That's privacy? An ad less about computers and one slightly less correct about idk wine? The fact is that anybody with physical access to my devices has an easier time logging through the apple ones than the windows/androids i own and that I care more than advertising

wilkinsonsmooth 1y ago
Apple's privacy policy is like everything else Apple: it best compares to things outside of it's walled garden. But inside the walls Apple operates just like every other company. It gathers information on all it's users for it's own advertising business. They can claim they don't have third parties involved and that makes them more private, but they do all the same things to their users but just do it themselves. They're as much an advertising company as Google or Facebook (and would love to be as big as those advertisers), but their ads are all within the Apple walls, so they can claim they are much more private. When they really aren't.
- newdee 1y ago
  > They’re as much an advertising company as Google or Facebook They are? By what metric? This sounds made up to support the assertion that a company which doesn’t do broad data sharing with third parties, but keeps it to themselves, is somehow less (or no less) private than those who do.
thewebguyd 1y ago
Apple is the only one that offers actual E2EE with advanced data protection for all iCloud services. Without it, yes, Apple can see your data. With it on, they can't. The key is stored on device, encrypted with your device pin/passcode and covers iCloud backup, including messages, drive, photos, notes, reminders, bookmarks, shortcuts, voice memos, wallet, passwords, health data, journal, home, maps, etc. The only thing not covered under ADP is iCloud mail, contacts, and calendars because it uses CalDAV and CardDAV. > once that I forgot my password to the MacBook, all one needed to do to access my data was to enter recovery mode and reset the password. Sure it logged me off from browser sessions, but all my files where there available to anybody Sounds like you didn't have FileVault (FDE) turned on. If you did, that wouldn't work you'd have needed your recovery key. > it's known they scan all your content and pics on iCloud They can't if you have ADP. > Some tracking less by advertisers? That's privacy? Yes, it is privacy. Let's not understate the massive surveillance that ad networks do, Google included. Google is an advertising company, they have zero incentive to offer the same level of privacy that Apple does and probably never will, it would be directly detrimental to their core business.
- epolanski 1y ago
  Apple's E2EE is less safe than a proper one like Proton's (which also has storage, email, calendar). But one has to drink the Apple propaganda and believe it's true. Also, ADP does not work in UK, at all. The rest of the message I won't even comment. All things that if you care you get easier on any other device. And Apple's ad business is booming while other are stagnant.
  - atomicthumbs 1y ago
    how is apple's not "proper?"
  - cmcaleer 1y ago
    > Also, ADP does not work in UK, at all. It does work if you've enabled it before it got disabled back in Feb, and the US successfully managed to get the UK to back off its demands for a backdoor, but it remains to be seen if new UK customers will ever be able to enable ADP again.
privacyking 1y ago
> 3) once that I forgot my password to the MacBook, all one needed to do to access my data was to enter recovery mode and reset the password. Sure it logged me off from browser sessions, but all my files where there available to anybody Do you not know how computers work? That how it works on every computer without encryption. You wouldn't have been able to access to the data passwordless if you had enabled Filevault encryption

wilkinsonsmooth 1y ago

Apple's privacy policy is like everything else Apple: it best compares to things outside of it's walled garden. But inside the walls Apple operates just like every other company. It gathers information on all it's users for it's own advertising business. They can claim they don't have third parties involved and that makes them more private, but they do all the same things to their users but just do it themselves. They're as much an advertising company as Google or Facebook (and would love to be as big as those advertisers), but their ads are all within the Apple walls, so they can claim they are much more private. When they really aren't.

newdee 1y ago
> They’re as much an advertising company as Google or Facebook They are? By what metric? This sounds made up to support the assertion that a company which doesn’t do broad data sharing with third parties, but keeps it to themselves, is somehow less (or no less) private than those who do.

thewebguyd 1y ago

Apple is the only one that offers actual E2EE with advanced data protection for all iCloud services. Without it, yes, Apple can see your data. With it on, they can't. The key is stored on device, encrypted with your device pin/passcode and covers iCloud backup, including messages, drive, photos, notes, reminders, bookmarks, shortcuts, voice memos, wallet, passwords, health data, journal, home, maps, etc. The only thing not covered under ADP is iCloud mail, contacts, and calendars because it uses CalDAV and CardDAV. > once that I forgot my password to the MacBook, all one needed to do to access my data was to enter recovery mode and reset the password. Sure it logged me off from browser sessions, but all my files where there available to anybody Sounds like you didn't have FileVault (FDE) turned on. If you did, that wouldn't work you'd have needed your recovery key. > it's known they scan all your content and pics on iCloud They can't if you have ADP. > Some tracking less by advertisers? That's privacy? Yes, it is privacy. Let's not understate the massive surveillance that ad networks do, Google included. Google is an advertising company, they have zero incentive to offer the same level of privacy that Apple does and probably never will, it would be directly detrimental to their core business.

epolanski 1y ago
Apple's E2EE is less safe than a proper one like Proton's (which also has storage, email, calendar). But one has to drink the Apple propaganda and believe it's true. Also, ADP does not work in UK, at all. The rest of the message I won't even comment. All things that if you care you get easier on any other device. And Apple's ad business is booming while other are stagnant.
- atomicthumbs 1y ago
  how is apple's not "proper?"
- cmcaleer 1y ago
  > Also, ADP does not work in UK, at all. It does work if you've enabled it before it got disabled back in Feb, and the US successfully managed to get the UK to back off its demands for a backdoor, but it remains to be seen if new UK customers will ever be able to enable ADP again.

privacyking 1y ago

> 3) once that I forgot my password to the MacBook, all one needed to do to access my data was to enter recovery mode and reset the password. Sure it logged me off from browser sessions, but all my files where there available to anybody Do you not know how computers work? That how it works on every computer without encryption. You wouldn't have been able to access to the data passwordless if you had enabled Filevault encryption