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>Give me a Pixel & all the Google stuff but without Google https://grapheneos.org/ https://grapheneos.org/

by moelf 1y ago

k4rnaj1k 1y ago
Isn't battery life worse on it? I did consider it at some point but not having google wallet(apparently nfc payments are only available via banks' apps there) was too big of a downside for me.
- j1elo 1y ago
  It is Google themselves choosing to prevent GrapheneOS from passing the validation checks required to make GPay work (which is the app that makes the actual payment). Wallet is there, you can hold digital cards, and transit cards, and your Ikea member card, etc. It's GPay that won't work to do the payment. And it's Google the one being a bully and deliberately making you think like that towards any alternative that's not in their list of approved systems that can be used in your own phone.
- Itoldmyselfso 1y ago
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no_wizard 1y ago
As a consumer, I lament most of all about Pixel devices (or any other Android device really) that I have to wipe the OS and install a different one to get features that matter to me, particularly around privacy. Thats why I don't use Pixel devices, or any Android devices really. I know its a precarious situation with Apple since they could reverse their stance at any point and sometimes they get it wrong, but they have yet to completely fail me when it comes to privacy. In any event, it'd be nice if there was a 3rd mainstream vendor in the mobile race[0][1] [0]: Both design wise and conceptually, I miss WebOS when it was strictly under Palm. It could have really been something. Why they didn't embrace multitouch screens I haven't a clue, it was the one thing that baffled me. [1]: The one project I really wanted Mozilla to take a long term view on - Firefox OS - was another great innovation of our time that didn't get the love or support it deserved. It was a blast using web technology to build apps that ran fluidly on modern hardware. Unfortunately, it was all too often relegated to cheap manufacturer hardware that couldn't support it ideally, but even with this being true, they pulled off alot of technical excellence with that project.
- hollandheese 1y ago
  >I miss WebOS when it was strictly under Palm. It could have really been something. Why they didn't embrace multitouch screens I haven't a clue, it was the one thing that baffled me. Huh? WebOS was Palm embracing multitouch screens.
  - no_wizard 1y ago
    They didn’t embrace virtual keyboards if I recall correctly
- zem 1y ago
  I miss Nokia's maemo/meego based phones :( the n900 was really nice to use and even write my own little personal apps for (something I haven't done in over a decade of owning android phones)
  - lallysingh 1y ago
    It ran emacs. It was glorious.
- jraph 1y ago
  /e/ Foundation sells phones with /e/OS preinstalled if you'd like an ungoogled Android phone without having to wipe the OS and install an ungoogled Android yourself. I haven't tried /e/, I prefer installing a raw lineage with microG myself (although I don't currently use the microG part), but it seems like you and your parent commenter would be in the intended target. I do agree that an alternative would be great. I'd gladly use Linux mobile with good, realiable hardware.
  - chasil 1y ago
    The Bliss launcher in /e/OS does not support widgets conventionally, and the best thing to do is immediately replace it. I used Lawnchair, and it did improve things. It did encourage me to provide my Google account credentials, which I refrained to do, which made the appstore essentially equivalent to F-droid. I can't really get excited about it.
daniel_reetz 1y ago
I've been running GrapheneOS for a few months now, keeping my old Samsung on WiFi as a backup. It is such a breath of fresh air. It is so quiet and functional. It feels like it prioritizes me, the user. I am so grateful to have this OS. Of course it has flaws, but they're lesser flaws. Like the crop tool is sometimes unusable in the gallery app. I can live with that. I couldn't live with the AI onslaught and spyware infiltration.
chasil 1y ago
After looking at it, there are many things that I do not like about Graphene, and many ways that it tries hard not to be likable. Beyond the monochrome icon pack that cannot be changed in the included launcher (which is so aesthetically challenged with an appearance that only a mother could love), the browser that cannot grasp dark mode, and the lack of the accustomed pattern unlock, I find the lack of one singular thing intolerable: I want root. At a minimum, adb rooted debugging. I realize that I could unlock the bootloader and Magisk this thing, but with the number of correct decisions that have been made by the authors of this operating system (and they are legion), they do not recognize one fundamental need of administrators: I want control of my systems. That is really a shame.
- Itoldmyselfso 1y ago
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>Give me a Pixel & all the Google stuff but without Google https://grapheneos.org/ https://grapheneos.org/

by moelf 1y ago

>Give me a Pixel & all the Google stuff but without Google https://grapheneos.org/ https://grapheneos.org/

Isn't battery life worse on it? I did consider it at some point but not having google wallet(apparently nfc payments are only available via banks' apps there) was too big of a downside for me.

j1elo 1y ago
It is Google themselves choosing to prevent GrapheneOS from passing the validation checks required to make GPay work (which is the app that makes the actual payment). Wallet is there, you can hold digital cards, and transit cards, and your Ikea member card, etc. It's GPay that won't work to do the payment. And it's Google the one being a bully and deliberately making you think like that towards any alternative that's not in their list of approved systems that can be used in your own phone.
Itoldmyselfso 1y ago
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no_wizard 1y ago

As a consumer, I lament most of all about Pixel devices (or any other Android device really) that I have to wipe the OS and install a different one to get features that matter to me, particularly around privacy. Thats why I don't use Pixel devices, or any Android devices really. I know its a precarious situation with Apple since they could reverse their stance at any point and sometimes they get it wrong, but they have yet to completely fail me when it comes to privacy. In any event, it'd be nice if there was a 3rd mainstream vendor in the mobile race[0][1] [0]: Both design wise and conceptually, I miss WebOS when it was strictly under Palm. It could have really been something. Why they didn't embrace multitouch screens I haven't a clue, it was the one thing that baffled me. [1]: The one project I really wanted Mozilla to take a long term view on - Firefox OS - was another great innovation of our time that didn't get the love or support it deserved. It was a blast using web technology to build apps that ran fluidly on modern hardware. Unfortunately, it was all too often relegated to cheap manufacturer hardware that couldn't support it ideally, but even with this being true, they pulled off alot of technical excellence with that project.

hollandheese 1y ago
>I miss WebOS when it was strictly under Palm. It could have really been something. Why they didn't embrace multitouch screens I haven't a clue, it was the one thing that baffled me. Huh? WebOS was Palm embracing multitouch screens.
- no_wizard 1y ago
  They didn’t embrace virtual keyboards if I recall correctly
zem 1y ago
I miss Nokia's maemo/meego based phones :( the n900 was really nice to use and even write my own little personal apps for (something I haven't done in over a decade of owning android phones)
- lallysingh 1y ago
  It ran emacs. It was glorious.
jraph 1y ago
/e/ Foundation sells phones with /e/OS preinstalled if you'd like an ungoogled Android phone without having to wipe the OS and install an ungoogled Android yourself. I haven't tried /e/, I prefer installing a raw lineage with microG myself (although I don't currently use the microG part), but it seems like you and your parent commenter would be in the intended target. I do agree that an alternative would be great. I'd gladly use Linux mobile with good, realiable hardware.
- chasil 1y ago
  The Bliss launcher in /e/OS does not support widgets conventionally, and the best thing to do is immediately replace it. I used Lawnchair, and it did improve things. It did encourage me to provide my Google account credentials, which I refrained to do, which made the appstore essentially equivalent to F-droid. I can't really get excited about it.

daniel_reetz 1y ago

I've been running GrapheneOS for a few months now, keeping my old Samsung on WiFi as a backup. It is such a breath of fresh air. It is so quiet and functional. It feels like it prioritizes me, the user. I am so grateful to have this OS. Of course it has flaws, but they're lesser flaws. Like the crop tool is sometimes unusable in the gallery app. I can live with that. I couldn't live with the AI onslaught and spyware infiltration.

chasil 1y ago

After looking at it, there are many things that I do not like about Graphene, and many ways that it tries hard not to be likable. Beyond the monochrome icon pack that cannot be changed in the included launcher (which is so aesthetically challenged with an appearance that only a mother could love), the browser that cannot grasp dark mode, and the lack of the accustomed pattern unlock, I find the lack of one singular thing intolerable: I want root. At a minimum, adb rooted debugging. I realize that I could unlock the bootloader and Magisk this thing, but with the number of correct decisions that have been made by the authors of this operating system (and they are legion), they do not recognize one fundamental need of administrators: I want control of my systems. That is really a shame.

Itoldmyselfso 1y ago
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