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Who installed the corrupt post-colonial governments? Who destabilized middle eastern countries to create an opening for those governments to take power? Who fun

Who installed the corrupt post-colonial governments? Who destabilized middle eastern countries to create an opening for those governments to take power? Who funded the groups who ended up taking power? It's the same folks who invented the word for the phenomenon we're currently discussing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)

potato3732842 1y ago
>Who installed the corrupt post-colonial governments? Ugh, mostly the British and the French though I supposed Ike got conned into helping the Brits with one of them. >Who destabilized middle eastern countries to create an opening for those governments to take power? rofl, everyone, but mostly their neighbors >Who funded the groups who ended up taking power? Same answer as above. But I get it, reality is complex and "murka bad" is simple. If you want that narrative stick to latin america.
- text0404 1y ago
  > But I get it, reality is complex and "murka bad" is simple. You just agreed that the Western world is largely behind the blowback, so why are you still dismissing it? Yeah, it's complex and largely predicated on the interests of the West, to the detriment of the citizens of the ME. Do you have something to add? Edit: I see you're editing your response to address the points in this post. I'll wait till you're done to respond again. > If you want that narrative stick to latin america. You're again agreeing with me but trying to make it seem like you're not? Yeah agreed, the history of Western intervention in Latin America is horrific. You should see what they've been doing in the Middle East!
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    I'm not agreeing with you any more than a middle-ish politician that gets endorsed by some hate group is agreeing with them. Your opinion here is overly broad and reductive to the point of being stupid and wrong. The nations of the middle east have fucked with each other more than anyone has fucked with them in the past 50yr, though of course they all seek and sometimes get outside aid when doing so. Bin Laden had a famous quote that translates to "the americans are bad and the shia are worse". I think that sums a typical local attitude up pretty well.
    - neom 1y ago
      Don't do personal attacks on HN, calling things stupid and wrong in this context is mean spirited. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - text0404 1y ago
      > I'm not agreeing with you any more than a middle-ish politician that gets endorsed by some hate group is agreeing with them. Ok, then you should adopt a position contrary to mine. Again, I agree that the ME is complex, but I'm not sure how that disputes the fact that the Western world has meddled in their affairs and destabilized ME countries to the point that they can no longer function independently and fall to authoritarian governments (or have one installed). > The nations of the middle east have fucked with each other more than anyone has fucked with them in the past 50yr Yes, their neighbors have "fucked with them," but the West has "fucked with them" more and caused more lasting damage. For example, in the past 50 years, the US has overthrown the government of Iran, materially supported both belligerents in the Iran-Iraq war, trained and funded and provided material support to militias in Syria and Yemen (including non-stop drone strikes for literally years), supported Israel apartheid unconditionally, invaded Iraq twice, not to mention the 20 year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which have completely gutted those countries ability to self-govern. Even internal conflicts in the Middle East are stoked and backed by Western powers. Also funny that you mention bin Laden, he's a good example of blowback resulting from US intervention.

potato3732842 1y ago

>Who installed the corrupt post-colonial governments? Ugh, mostly the British and the French though I supposed Ike got conned into helping the Brits with one of them. >Who destabilized middle eastern countries to create an opening for those governments to take power? rofl, everyone, but mostly their neighbors >Who funded the groups who ended up taking power? Same answer as above. But I get it, reality is complex and "murka bad" is simple. If you want that narrative stick to latin america.

text0404 1y ago
> But I get it, reality is complex and "murka bad" is simple. You just agreed that the Western world is largely behind the blowback, so why are you still dismissing it? Yeah, it's complex and largely predicated on the interests of the West, to the detriment of the citizens of the ME. Do you have something to add? Edit: I see you're editing your response to address the points in this post. I'll wait till you're done to respond again. > If you want that narrative stick to latin america. You're again agreeing with me but trying to make it seem like you're not? Yeah agreed, the history of Western intervention in Latin America is horrific. You should see what they've been doing in the Middle East!
- potato3732842 1y ago
  I'm not agreeing with you any more than a middle-ish politician that gets endorsed by some hate group is agreeing with them. Your opinion here is overly broad and reductive to the point of being stupid and wrong. The nations of the middle east have fucked with each other more than anyone has fucked with them in the past 50yr, though of course they all seek and sometimes get outside aid when doing so. Bin Laden had a famous quote that translates to "the americans are bad and the shia are worse". I think that sums a typical local attitude up pretty well.
  - neom 1y ago
    Don't do personal attacks on HN, calling things stupid and wrong in this context is mean spirited. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - text0404 1y ago
    > I'm not agreeing with you any more than a middle-ish politician that gets endorsed by some hate group is agreeing with them. Ok, then you should adopt a position contrary to mine. Again, I agree that the ME is complex, but I'm not sure how that disputes the fact that the Western world has meddled in their affairs and destabilized ME countries to the point that they can no longer function independently and fall to authoritarian governments (or have one installed). > The nations of the middle east have fucked with each other more than anyone has fucked with them in the past 50yr Yes, their neighbors have "fucked with them," but the West has "fucked with them" more and caused more lasting damage. For example, in the past 50 years, the US has overthrown the government of Iran, materially supported both belligerents in the Iran-Iraq war, trained and funded and provided material support to militias in Syria and Yemen (including non-stop drone strikes for literally years), supported Israel apartheid unconditionally, invaded Iraq twice, not to mention the 20 year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which have completely gutted those countries ability to self-govern. Even internal conflicts in the Middle East are stoked and backed by Western powers. Also funny that you mention bin Laden, he's a good example of blowback resulting from US intervention.