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> if you loosen the border, you dilute the rights of the residents Strip searching tourists, interrogating them about which social media jokes they shared, or
by jacobolus 1y ago
> if you loosen the border, you dilute the rights of the residents
Strip searching tourists, interrogating them about which social media jokes they shared, or locking them up for weeks without charges and then deporting them based on nothing more than their political views does not strengthen the rights of residents.
> especially if you let aliens in that don't even pay taxes, enjoying only rights but no responsibility
If you are talking about people working in the US without visas, this is a serious misconception. The large majority of undocumented people working in the US pay the same taxes as anyone else, including income and payroll taxes (sometimes under a borrowed social security number, but sometimes with an ITIN, "individual taxpayer ID no."; the IRS is happy to take the money without worrying about immigration status), but don't reap the benefits of those. So it's rather the opposite: all the responsibilities but dramatically fewer rights. In aggregate, undocumented immigrants pay on the order of $100 billion of US taxes every year.
- TZubiri 1y agoThe context of my post was phone searches at the US border, inmigration is a wide scope, strip searching tourists and interrogating about jokes is really out of context and not was was the topic of the article shared. Searching phones is not really related to reviewing social media is it? You don't need to search a phone to access a public profile. No, searching a phone searches for private messages, maybe you talked with an employer on the US and you are on a tourist visa? Maybe there's talks about drug use or money laundering? or worse? >If you are talking about people working in the US without visas, this is a serious misconception. You talk as if there were some sort of authorative objective dataset, but by nature, how can you measure unreported income? You can search for FUTON sources all you want, but I've worked with immigrants that don't report income on my country. And just because something "doesn't happen" would be a terribe reason not to protect against it. Would you leave your port 22 open without password just because "it is a misconception" that russians are brute forcing into systems? No, you would simply protect against it, you don't need evidence to implement security mesaures.
- text0404 1y agoWhere are your numbers? You're claiming that immigrants steal public services and don't pay taxes, but haven't provided proof except for anecdotes and conjecture.
- TZubiri 1y agoI have met one immigrant that didn't pay taxes, which is sufficient to develop and support measures to protect against immigrants. Also, you do not need evidence to claim that there is at least one immigrant who doesn't pay taxes, given the sheer numbers of our countries and the economic incentive to pay taxes, the burden of proof would be reversed if you claim that this doesn't happen. Not everything needs a double-blind randomized longitudinal trial, sometimes you just need to act instead of being paralyzed by overanalysis of the obvious.
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- text0404 1y agoSo you have no data and no evidence, and are willing to support sweeping policy changes which cause material harm because you feel correct.