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The DHS is an umbrella organization with a huge number of parts under it, including stuff like FEMA (emergency management), customs, the coast guard, the secret

The DHS is an umbrella organization with a huge number of parts under it, including stuff like FEMA (emergency management), customs, the coast guard, the secret service, monitoring of agricultural pathogens (formerly part of USDA), infrastructure protection (formerly part of FBI), federal law enforcement training, etc. Abolishing "everything under" the DHS would do incredible damage. The various agencies lumped under the DHS could plausibly be re-organized again, though I'm not sure it would serve much purpose. The biggest problem is that voters keep putting incompetent ideologues in charge of the federal government.

ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
>Abolishing "everything under" the DHS would do incredible damage. As we're seeing with cuts to anything other than programs enabling masked, jackbooted thugs to beat/harass/disappear brown people.
- jacobolus 1y ago
  Okay, but again, the problem causing the jackbooted thugs is poor voter choices in the recent presidential election, ongoing citizen apathy, a Supreme Court enabling it, and a GOP which is thoroughly corrupted from top to bottom, not Customs inspections, FEMA disaster assistance, or Coast Guard rescues. The fix to this is to swap out the nation's leaders, not to throw away every governmental institution with any relation to public safety.
  - ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
    >Okay, but again, the problem causing the jackbooted thugs is poor voter choices in the recent presidential election, ongoing citizen apathy, a Supreme Court enabling it, and a GOP which is thoroughly corrupted from top to bottom, not Customs inspections, FEMA disaster assistance, or Coast Guard rescues. Right, and funding for customs inspections, FEMA disaster assistance and the Coast Guard are all already being cut in favor of jackbooted thugs. >The fix to this is to swap out the nation's leaders, not to throw away every governmental institution with any relation to public safety. I never suggested that DHS should be abolished. That was someone else[0]. You might take that up with them instead. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44963940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44963940
doom2 1y ago
It's funny to me that the government was so intent on implementing a bunch of policies in the name of "efficiency" when DHS is a prime example of an inefficient agency. Why should we have an entire department dedicated to all the things it does when we could simply devolve many of the parts back to their original departments (INS back to DOJ, TSA back to DOT, etc), leaving a much more slimmed down entity (or perhaps none at all)?
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ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago

>Abolishing "everything under" the DHS would do incredible damage. As we're seeing with cuts to anything other than programs enabling masked, jackbooted thugs to beat/harass/disappear brown people.

jacobolus 1y ago
Okay, but again, the problem causing the jackbooted thugs is poor voter choices in the recent presidential election, ongoing citizen apathy, a Supreme Court enabling it, and a GOP which is thoroughly corrupted from top to bottom, not Customs inspections, FEMA disaster assistance, or Coast Guard rescues. The fix to this is to swap out the nation's leaders, not to throw away every governmental institution with any relation to public safety.
- ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
  >Okay, but again, the problem causing the jackbooted thugs is poor voter choices in the recent presidential election, ongoing citizen apathy, a Supreme Court enabling it, and a GOP which is thoroughly corrupted from top to bottom, not Customs inspections, FEMA disaster assistance, or Coast Guard rescues. Right, and funding for customs inspections, FEMA disaster assistance and the Coast Guard are all already being cut in favor of jackbooted thugs. >The fix to this is to swap out the nation's leaders, not to throw away every governmental institution with any relation to public safety. I never suggested that DHS should be abolished. That was someone else[0]. You might take that up with them instead. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44963940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44963940

doom2 1y ago

It's funny to me that the government was so intent on implementing a bunch of policies in the name of "efficiency" when DHS is a prime example of an inefficient agency. Why should we have an entire department dedicated to all the things it does when we could simply devolve many of the parts back to their original departments (INS back to DOJ, TSA back to DOT, etc), leaving a much more slimmed down entity (or perhaps none at all)?

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