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I wonder what people these days think about the song "Imagine" by John Lennon. Free travel, world peace and equality is so out of fashion that a strong majority

by mrtksn 1y ago

I wonder what people these days think about the song "Imagine" by John Lennon. Free travel, world peace and equality is so out of fashion that a strong majority seems to think that it is OK to restrict people's movement around the world and feel so terrified of foreigners and yet without seeing the irony the same people would talk about becoming interplanetary species. I wouldn't be surprised if the totalitarians drop the "think of the children" line and just doi everything for "national security". I'm not fan of the trend, I'm open about it I despise travel restrictions and the security theater but I really want to hear from people who like the new way the world is headed for.

lastofthemojito 1y ago
I mean, of course, we all would like to be able to travel without restrictions ourselves. The concern for people in developed nations is what would happen to their quality of life if people from poorer nations could freely migrate. Europe has ~750 million people, and even with current policies (where migrants might drown when their boat sinks while the Greek Coast Guard looks on and laughs) millions of migrants try to enter Europe each year. The US has ~340 million people, and even with current policies (where children might be separated from parents and placed into cruel detention centers) millions of migrants try to enter the US each year. If movement was free, how many hundreds of millions would pour from Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and South Asia into Europe and the US? The 3+ billion who live in the tropics are only going to become more likely to try to migrate as the climate continues to warm.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  What makes you think that everyone wants to come to Europe? Have you considered that instead of geofencing the non-millionaire population like cattle, maybe not bombing or couping the poor countries is a better option? People don't actually leave the places they grow up or their families and friends to live on European food stamps. Also, Europe tends to receive the worst people because the legal routes are closed. We end up with people who dare to go to the illegal routes for other reasons than running for their lives. US a similar thing, instead of relying on illegal workforce just let in people from the main gates and watch out for shady types. There are so many things that can be done to address the issues instead of dividing the world limited travel areas.
leptons 1y ago
> I wouldn't be surprised if the totalitarians drop the "think of the children" line and just doi everything for "national security". Republicans are planning to ban all pornography under the guise of "national health crisis". It's in their Project 2025 playbook which they have been following very closely.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  Is it the same people who just made the Epstein files go away? I can't believe people keep falling for the same stuff all the time. Thanks god EU is incapable of acting together, some of the members still keep trying anyway.
- jjkaczor 1y ago
  Yup... according to this tracker, "Project 2025" is 47% implemented: https://www.project2025.observer/en https://www.project2025.observer/en

by mrtksn 1y ago

lastofthemojito 1y ago

I mean, of course, we all would like to be able to travel without restrictions ourselves. The concern for people in developed nations is what would happen to their quality of life if people from poorer nations could freely migrate. Europe has ~750 million people, and even with current policies (where migrants might drown when their boat sinks while the Greek Coast Guard looks on and laughs) millions of migrants try to enter Europe each year. The US has ~340 million people, and even with current policies (where children might be separated from parents and placed into cruel detention centers) millions of migrants try to enter the US each year. If movement was free, how many hundreds of millions would pour from Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and South Asia into Europe and the US? The 3+ billion who live in the tropics are only going to become more likely to try to migrate as the climate continues to warm.

mrtksn 1y ago
What makes you think that everyone wants to come to Europe? Have you considered that instead of geofencing the non-millionaire population like cattle, maybe not bombing or couping the poor countries is a better option? People don't actually leave the places they grow up or their families and friends to live on European food stamps. Also, Europe tends to receive the worst people because the legal routes are closed. We end up with people who dare to go to the illegal routes for other reasons than running for their lives. US a similar thing, instead of relying on illegal workforce just let in people from the main gates and watch out for shady types. There are so many things that can be done to address the issues instead of dividing the world limited travel areas.

leptons 1y ago

> I wouldn't be surprised if the totalitarians drop the "think of the children" line and just doi everything for "national security". Republicans are planning to ban all pornography under the guise of "national health crisis". It's in their Project 2025 playbook which they have been following very closely.

mrtksn 1y ago
Is it the same people who just made the Epstein files go away? I can't believe people keep falling for the same stuff all the time. Thanks god EU is incapable of acting together, some of the members still keep trying anyway.
jjkaczor 1y ago
Yup... according to this tracker, "Project 2025" is 47% implemented: https://www.project2025.observer/en https://www.project2025.observer/en