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Digg failed because they weren't listening to what the users wanted. Reddit has been doing the same thing for a long time, and there's a large number of people
by autoexec 1y ago
Digg failed because they weren't listening to what the users wanted. Reddit has been doing the same thing for a long time, and there's a large number of people looking for somewhere to migrate to. It'd be hilarious if New Digg becomes that, but I'm feeling pretty skeptical that New Digg is going to be any better. What little I've seen about New Digg talks about crypto, AI, and "Gems" you can earn which is far from a good sign.
- system2 1y ago[flagged]
- lc9er 1y agoThey’re are plenty of bigot-loving Reddit clones, if that’s your thing.
- system2 1y agoNo, my thing is free internet. Not bigot-loving or hardcore leftist sites. On Reddit, if you say anything that is not leftist, you will get banned or deleted these days. I am a liberal, not left or right wing.
- throwawaylaptop 1y ago[flagged]
- 113 1y agoAre you talking about medical transition? Why'd you have to use scary euphemisms to refer to something?
- throwawaylaptop 1y agoMy wording sounds way more accurate and less euphemism like than "medical transition".
- LexiMax 1y agoIt never ceases to amaze me how people will happily parrot the most vile blood libels about entire groups of people they don't know. All because they're terrified that the next woman they leer at might not have been born with the genitals they expected.
- throwawaylaptop 1y agoOr possibly I think this is a terrible thing to do to children?
- LexiMax 1y agoIndeed. If you leer at a young girl, you need the reassurance that they're a biological girl and not a boy on hormone blockers. Is that why you're so obsessed with your neighbors kid? Or do they even exist?
- throwawaylaptop 1y agoOh Jesus. Yes, every person that cares about children not getting life altering surgery is a pedofile.. makes sense. They ran out of normal obvious kids of the gender they like, and now they're worried they might accidentally fall for a freak of modern medicine. You caught me.
- LexiMax 1y agoAbsurd, isn't it? Hopefully, now you have some appreciation for how ridiculous you sound spewing blood libels.
- throwawaylaptop 1y agoExcept mine makes sense and the other doesn't. What they're doing to children is some of the worst things you could imagine doing to a child. The children don't know better, and the adults the allow it all seem to basically be borderline insane/gay themselves too.
- Ralfp 1y agoFunny thing only yesterday I saw a great thread on reddit where people shared stories of their older relatives becoming obsessed about trans people (not in a healthy way) alike to how some became obsessed with the qanon conspiracy before.
- throwawaylaptop 1y agoI actually have a neighbor who now has a trans girl at 13 years old, since about 10. I knew the child from infancy. So as conspiratorial as it could be, I am literally watching a neighbor destroy their child month by month. It's not a conspiracy.
- jmhammond 1y agoI have a trans kid at 15. Living their best life. Knew the kid from day one (today’s their 15th birthday). Guess what? It’s all their choice, suggestion, etc. While I’d prefer their original name (I mean, I chose that for a reason), everything else is obvious and right in retrospect. Instead of just /watching/ a neighbor, you could /be/ a neighbor and get to know them. You might feel differently about your preconceptions when you actually know the human.
- throwawaylaptop 1y agoI do actually know them. I'm nice as can be and help the family with their cars. But what's being done to that kid is terrible and most likely permanent. I don't think a kid is old enough to know if this stuff should be done to them.
- Ralfp 1y agoAnd so you’ve decided trans kids will be your goto issue in internet discourse? Curious.
- throwawaylaptop 1y ago
- StyloBill 1y agoIf you consider reddit to be hardcore-leftist, you'll find plenty of like-minded people on 4chan.
- system2 1y agoTry saying something patriotic on reddit and see how fast you will get downvoted to hell.
- StyloBill 1y agoIt has nothing to do with reddit being 'hardcore-leftist' as you put it, and more to do with the sad state of the US nowadays. Also, try saying anything remotely moderate on any right-leaning sub and see how that works. Really depends on the sub you're browsing. Also, my anecdotal experience is very different than yours: not a day goes by without me reading some imbecilic comment about american exceptionalism, and where other idiots (I think you'd call them "patriots") gather to upvote/outbid said comment, particularly on large subs.
- kjkjadksj 1y agoSame thing would have happened to you 15 years ago on reddit
- system2 1y agoI've been on Reddit almost since day 1. It was not like this.
- RankingMember 1y agoThe best thing they ever did in those early days was remove /r/atheism from the default subs. Good lord what a cesspool (and I'm not a theist!).
- Carstairs 1y agoI dunno. The only reason I registered an account was to remove /r/atheism from the front page (also not a theist).
- ASalazarMX 1y agoYou might want to subscribe to different subreddits.
- alex1138 1y agoOkay, "LGBTQ loving" just makes you sound incredibly hateful I agree with the general overall point, certain views get banned, they took down nonewnormal while allowing bots in r/coronavirus to flourish, and other examples I can think of But you... just sound like you're not valid at all, when you lead off like that
- edm0nd 1y agothere is no way bro is mentally stable w a comment like that prob one of the Q anon and anti-vaxxer types who keeps Alex Jones websites bookmarked and only gets their news from real-patriots-of-america-news.info
- alex1138 1y agoYeah but see, I don't agree with that side of things either This idea that because a) you lean one way means you support all these other things and b) that those things are even wrong all the time Given what's come out about (say) the covid vaccine (which isn't a real vaccine), I am an anti-vaxxer. (And someone like Kennedy isn't so much anti-vaccine as he's concerned about the lack of liability of the manufacturers, with clear historical examples of how it went wrong) This kind of attitude (especially because many of you are technologists) is what leads to censorship on Youtube and people like Susan Wojcicki https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html https://rumble.com/v28x6zk-sasha-latypova-msc.-nsa-team-enigma-covid-19-countermeasures-evidence-of-th.html https://rumble.com/v28x6zk-sasha-latypova-msc.-nsa-team-enig...
- alex1138 1y agoYeah, downvote actual medical evidence, by experts
- system2 1y agoYet, you are the one attacking people because they observe a trend/propaganda. I never called anyone mentally unstable. You straight-up attack personally. Shame on you, go meditate and self-reflect.
- lc9er 1y agoI’m not sure that Reddit doing the same thing is a big a problem as random acts of admin overreach and the looming threat of old Reddit going away. The moment that happens, I’m done with the service. New Reddit is a prime example of enshittification.
- hinkley 1y agoI took it as, “the same sorts of mistakes Digg made” which I would agree with. They’re boiling the frog pretty successfully though.
- phire 1y agoYeah, reddit spread the changes out over years, just Decades of slow incremental changes. Even the new UI started off as optional, and the old UI is still (mostly) supported after 7 years. Digg always rolled out its changes in one big update, which replaced the old version of the site overnight. So not only did users get to see all the changes in one big slap to the fact, but they couldn't switch back to Digg v3 if they didn't like Digg v4. In fact, Digg itself couldn't roll back the entire site to v3 even if they had wanted to, as the v4 rollout required a database migration, and there was no reverse migration path.
- basch 1y agothe earlier Digg migration was due to censorship. not being allowed to post encryption keys. pretty common playbook to allow gray and illicit and unattributed content only to clean up once youve hit critical mass.
- phire 1y agoAs one of those users who migrated away around the time of the "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" incident, that's not what happened at all. Digg never had much in the way gray/illicit content; The AACS key was only posted because it was newsworthy (and can a 128bit number even be considered illicit?) There were a bunch of other issues at the time centering around digg power users (like MrBabyMan), and a perceived lack of action/communication from the digg staff. The disconnect had been boiling away under the surface for years. The much bigger issue that the front page of digg at that time was increasingly just links that hit the front page of reddit 12-24 hours earlier. Users increasingly choosing to cut out the middle man and get their content directly from reddit. And at the same time, many fell in love with reddit's much better commenting system. The censorship was just the catalyst for it all to finally boil to the surface, and the only news-worthy event to happen around that time. It might have been the final straw for some people, but for most it was tangentially related, at best.
- scythe 1y agoI think this is basically misguided. Digg failed because their commenter UX was clunky. It tried to split the baby between linear and tree comments and just ended up being a mess. Reddit had been slowly stealing traffic from Digg for years by the time of the "rebellion". In the end, Reddit became many times larger than Digg ever was. The biggest problem with displacing Reddit as such is that currently most of the users hate most of the users; consequently there is no reason that people leaving Reddit would want to converge on a single alternative. In some ways, Reddit has already survived its own replacement. The workflow for getting involved with a video game community is to ask on Reddit which Discord you should join. In this case Discord plays the role of a parasitoid wasp. It hangs on as a less reactionary NextDoor and a gathering place for semi-serious discussion of niche topics (/r/MedicalPhysics, for example). It also hosts some political stuff, but nobody wants to invite Reddit's political elements to their new community.
- autoexec 1y agoThe UX was only part of the problem with Digg. There were also problems with what was/wasn't making it to the front page, pushing ads, the removal of customization features and killing off of third party tools which gave users more control over how they used the site, etc.
- antisthenes 1y agoFair assessment. I think Reddit right now sits in some weird space between Discord/Nextdoor/Quora, with most content posted after ~2018-2019 being extremely low quality, outside of some niche subreddits. But overall it is just a gateway to other platforms where the really interesting conversations are happening and content is being created.
- ifyoubuildit 1y ago> with most content posted after ~2018-2019 being extremely low quality, outside of some niche subreddits. I've read plenty of garbage on Reddit, but what percentage of Reddit content since 2018 do you think you've seen? How many zeros after that decimal point?
- kjkjadksj 1y agoAt this point I think I’m giving up on the migration. The critical window is over. Most of the curious people who made reddit what it was 15 years ago are probably too bogged down with life to make the next replacement good today. Younger people have been brought up on ad based social media and have no concept of what a healthy forum environment ought to be like and therefore lack the cultural context to be good contributors that we took for granted in the 2000s and early 2010s. Instead many want to be useful mouth pieces for a brand endorsement. It is just such a different internet today than just 10 years ago.
- smileybarry 1y agoGems is deceptively named but it's essentially just for posting interesting things that gets discussions or Diggs, or being early to post something. It has nothing to do with crypto etc. Source: I've been using the app since the alpha started.
- autoexec 1y agoWhat are Gems good for? Bragging rights? If you earn enough of them do they grant you special privileges? Can you spend them on anything? Can you buy them with real money? Are gems their current/future monetization strategy? They're already charging $5 for usernames (https://www.androidpolice.com/digg-returning-wants-you-to-pay-reserve-username/ https://www.androidpolice.com/digg-returning-wants-you-to-pa...)
- smileybarry 1y agoThat post is very outdated and was in the pre-alpha stage. At the time you paid (once) to join a sort of staging ground where they also discussed features with users, and asking what they'd prefer. And that buy-in pre-alpha period also ended when the alpha app launched. They didn't really "sell usernames", unless you also call buying a paid app with social features "buying a username". And as far as "Gems", looks like bragging rights. This is what clicking (?) currently says: > Gems are earned by being amongst the very first to Digg a post that trends across the platform. The earlier you are to discovering and Digging the post, the more Gems you’ll earn.
- drcongo 1y agoIsn't this New New Digg? Or maybe New New New Digg?
- econ 1y agoSlashdot deserves a honorary mention under not doing what the users want.
- autoexec 1y agoPersonally, I'd argue they also had a disastrous redesign. At a certain point they required JS to use the site and even reading comments got harder.
- tim333 1y agoI'm on the old style Reddit and it hasn't really changed much for years. I imagine they are wary of mucking it up after knowing what it did to Digg.
- rchaud 1y agoInterestingly, I can still log in and post (and get replies) on Old Reddit with my 15-year old username and pw (no email or other form of auth needed). I remember trying to log in using that acc via New Reddit and it said that user didn't exist! I wonder if Old Reddit-era accounts are on a separate DB.
- dogma1138 1y agoMore likely that new Reddit has crude input validation on the fields and throws an error if there is no email in the username. You can probably validate this theory with a basic time based analysis.
- insane_dreamer 1y ago> "Gems" you can earn omg, here we go again
- IAmGraydon 1y agoAs someone who was very active on Digg, it failed because of a massive all-at-once redesign (Digg v4) that made it unrecognizable to those who considered it home. It’s basically the go-to case study in how not to do an overhaul.
- mvdtnz 1y agoThe worst of the changes on the redesign had been telegraphed to users ahead of time and the overwhelming consensus was "we don't want this". In other words, "Digg failed because they weren't listening to what the users wanted".
- brandensilva 1y agoKevin Rose must be on that hype train again. I've been on Reddit for 17 years since the Digg crash. All they had to do was not screw it up for many of us and we wouldn't be at this reinvent stage.
- AbstractH24 1y agoThis is even more true of LinkedIn than Reddit. I just can't figure out where people are turning next.