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> I'm making an assumption on how these AI Agents work, I could be wrong. I don't understand the desire - borderline need - of folks on HN to just make stuff u

by pc86 1y ago

> I'm making an assumption on how these AI Agents work, I could be wrong. I don't understand the desire - borderline need - of folks on HN to just make stuff up. That is likely why you're being downvoted. I know we all love to do stuff "frOM fIRsT PRiNcIPlEs" around here but "let me just imagine how I think AI agents work then pass that off as truth" is taking it a bit far IMO. This is the human equivalent of an AI hallucination. You are just making stuff up, passing it off as truth ("injecting your understanding"), then adding a one-line throwaway "this might be completely wrong lol" at the end.

scott_w 1y ago
And yet if we didn't do this, HN would be almost completely silent because 99% of commenters have a clue what they're talking about most of the time and nobody would ever have a chance to learn.
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- mh- 1y ago
  I don't know how to say this less flippantly, and I honestly tried: you could have simply posted a comment phrased as a question, and 20 people would have jumped in to answer. (To your point, >15 of them would have had different answers and the majority would have been materially wrong, but still.)
  - scott_w 1y ago
    So let me be more direct. The part I'm not confident I'm correct in is this: > AI Agents, instead, directly access the database However, I don't think I'd be too far off the mark given many systems work like this (analytics tools typically hook into your DB, to the chagrin of many an SRE/DevOps) and it's usually marketed as the easy solution. Also, I've since read a few comments and it appears I'm pretty fucking close: the agents here read a search index, so pretty tightly hooked into a DB system. Everything else, I know I'm right (I've built plenty of systems like this), and someone was making a point that permissions access does scale. I pointed out that it appears to scale because of the way they're designed. I'd say most of my comment is substantively correct, with a disclaimer on an (important) point, where I'd be happy to be corrected.
    - Karrot_Kream 1y ago
      The correct way to setup an analytics tool is to point it to an analytics db that is a replica of your main DB. It's a pretty common part of an HA setup to replicate your primary to an actual hot read replica and a cold analytics store. This way the analytics tool queries your analytics store and doesn't put load on your hot primary or hot read replica. > I'd say most of my comment is substantively correct, with a disclaimer on an (important) point, where I'd be happy to be corrected. I read this and feel that you still want imaginary internet points for something that is, at best, directionally correct. To me it seems your desire for internet points urged you to post a statement and not a question. I imagine most of HN is just statements that are overconfident bluster by only directionally correct statements which create the cacophony of this site.
      - scott_w 1y ago
        > The correct way to setup an analytics tool is to point it to an analytics db that is a replica of your main DB. It's a pretty common part of an HA setup to replicate your primary to an actual hot read replica and a cold analytics store. This way the analytics tool queries your analytics store and doesn't put load on your hot primary or hot read replica. That doesn’t solve the problem of changing schemas causing issues for your data team at all. Something I see regularly. If you setup an AI Agent the same way you still give it full access, so you still haven’t fixed the problem at hand. > I read this and feel that you still want imaginary internet points for something that is, at best, directionally correct. And you’ve yet to substantiate your objection to what I posited (alongside everyone else), so instead you continue to talk about something unrelated in the hope of… what, exactly?
krapp 1y ago
>I don't understand the desire - borderline need - of folks on HN to just make stuff up. Hacker News is addictive. This forum is designed to reward engagement with imaginary internet points and that operant conditioning works just as well here as everywhere else.
- tough 1y ago
  karma please go up

by pc86 1y ago

scott_w 1y ago

And yet if we didn't do this, HN would be almost completely silent because 99% of commenters have a clue what they're talking about most of the time and nobody would ever have a chance to learn.

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mh- 1y ago
I don't know how to say this less flippantly, and I honestly tried: you could have simply posted a comment phrased as a question, and 20 people would have jumped in to answer. (To your point, >15 of them would have had different answers and the majority would have been materially wrong, but still.)
- scott_w 1y ago
  So let me be more direct. The part I'm not confident I'm correct in is this: > AI Agents, instead, directly access the database However, I don't think I'd be too far off the mark given many systems work like this (analytics tools typically hook into your DB, to the chagrin of many an SRE/DevOps) and it's usually marketed as the easy solution. Also, I've since read a few comments and it appears I'm pretty fucking close: the agents here read a search index, so pretty tightly hooked into a DB system. Everything else, I know I'm right (I've built plenty of systems like this), and someone was making a point that permissions access does scale. I pointed out that it appears to scale because of the way they're designed. I'd say most of my comment is substantively correct, with a disclaimer on an (important) point, where I'd be happy to be corrected.
  - Karrot_Kream 1y ago
    The correct way to setup an analytics tool is to point it to an analytics db that is a replica of your main DB. It's a pretty common part of an HA setup to replicate your primary to an actual hot read replica and a cold analytics store. This way the analytics tool queries your analytics store and doesn't put load on your hot primary or hot read replica. > I'd say most of my comment is substantively correct, with a disclaimer on an (important) point, where I'd be happy to be corrected. I read this and feel that you still want imaginary internet points for something that is, at best, directionally correct. To me it seems your desire for internet points urged you to post a statement and not a question. I imagine most of HN is just statements that are overconfident bluster by only directionally correct statements which create the cacophony of this site.
    - scott_w 1y ago
      > The correct way to setup an analytics tool is to point it to an analytics db that is a replica of your main DB. It's a pretty common part of an HA setup to replicate your primary to an actual hot read replica and a cold analytics store. This way the analytics tool queries your analytics store and doesn't put load on your hot primary or hot read replica. That doesn’t solve the problem of changing schemas causing issues for your data team at all. Something I see regularly. If you setup an AI Agent the same way you still give it full access, so you still haven’t fixed the problem at hand. > I read this and feel that you still want imaginary internet points for something that is, at best, directionally correct. And you’ve yet to substantiate your objection to what I posited (alongside everyone else), so instead you continue to talk about something unrelated in the hope of… what, exactly?

krapp 1y ago

>I don't understand the desire - borderline need - of folks on HN to just make stuff up. Hacker News is addictive. This forum is designed to reward engagement with imaginary internet points and that operant conditioning works just as well here as everywhere else.

tough 1y ago
karma please go up