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The most depressing is that what happens in China, will eventually happen in the west too. I'm sure certain US, UK, and EU bureaucrats are already crafting camp

The most depressing is that what happens in China, will eventually happen in the west too. I'm sure certain US, UK, and EU bureaucrats are already crafting campaigns about how this ability will 'save the children' and that it should be implemented immediately (politicians and certain other selected people will be exempt of course).

pas 1y ago
There's nothing inevitable about this. Civil society needs to organize, coordinate, and spend money on PR about this. Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better, it's not enough. (Also going and walking up and down is not really effective.)
- Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
  It is inevitable, because the means by which civil society can organize, coordinate, and spend money on PR about this, are all firmly in the control of a very few people. These same people are generally on the side of more centralized control, because they are the ones who will wield it.
- lossolo 1y ago
  > Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
    Precisely. Works every time. It's a like zero-day exploit on society.
  - lyu07282 1y ago
    Well slightly updated version today would be: Immigrants, Anti-Zionists, Socialists, Homeless, Welfare recipients, ...
- int_19h 1y ago
  It's inevitable because we've seen time and again that all it takes to get the public opinion behind this kind of thing is to talk about how it is needed to catch pedophiles and terrorists. And if you talk back? Why, you must be a pedophile or a terrorist, otherwise why would you have anything to hide? It's gotten bad enough that people here on HN - Hacker News! - non-ironically make more or less this argument.
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pas 1y ago

There's nothing inevitable about this. Civil society needs to organize, coordinate, and spend money on PR about this. Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better, it's not enough. (Also going and walking up and down is not really effective.)

Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
It is inevitable, because the means by which civil society can organize, coordinate, and spend money on PR about this, are all firmly in the control of a very few people. These same people are generally on the side of more centralized control, because they are the ones who will wield it.
lossolo 1y ago
> Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 1y ago
  Precisely. Works every time. It's a like zero-day exploit on society.
- lyu07282 1y ago
  Well slightly updated version today would be: Immigrants, Anti-Zionists, Socialists, Homeless, Welfare recipients, ...
int_19h 1y ago
It's inevitable because we've seen time and again that all it takes to get the public opinion behind this kind of thing is to talk about how it is needed to catch pedophiles and terrorists. And if you talk back? Why, you must be a pedophile or a terrorist, otherwise why would you have anything to hide? It's gotten bad enough that people here on HN - Hacker News! - non-ironically make more or less this argument.

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