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The hard truth of it all is that both the US and (partially) the EU don’t want to make this easier because seeing as wanting “outside” people is now a political

The hard truth of it all is that both the US and (partially) the EU don’t want to make this easier because seeing as wanting “outside” people is now a political liability. You may want to adjust your expectations around that.

mrtksn 1y ago
Turkish tourist are desired, Turks love spending money on restaurants and activities especially since the prices in Turkey have become more expensive than most of the EU. Greeks even introduced special non-Schengen on-arrival visa valid on the Greek islands especially for the Turks. Besides that, EU has "green passport" exception for the Turkish nationals, where they can travel visa-free on this kind of passport that is provided to individuals that meet certain criteria and millions of such passports were issued. The rejection rates are also not bad and EU has a "return agreement" with Turkey, which is designed to keep the middle eastern refugees in Turkey(essentially, if you come from Turkey EU can send you back to Turkey right away ). Crime rates for Turks show up among the lowest ones, unlike others from the region. So I don't think that EU is trying to reduce visas for Turks.
- rat9988 1y ago
  You are looking at it from Turkish perspective unfortunately.
  - mrtksn 1y ago
    I am EU citizen, I happen to know the Turkish perspective only because spent some years in Turkey and in fact it is the Turkish perspective that that EU doesn't want them and intentionally makes things harder but the moment you look at what's actually going on you see that this is not the case, just a Turkish fantasy about the "evil West and snobby Europeans". Considering that last year 50K Turks applied for asylum in EU and another 100K overstayed their visa, IMHO EU can be considered pretty generous actually with only 15% rejection rate since Turkey is the 2nd country with most applications after China. https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/news/visa-applications-reach-117-million-eu-and-schengen-associated-countries-2025-05-20_en https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/news/visa-applications-rea... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Asylum_applications_-_annual_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
    - jimz 1y ago
      B-visa rejection rate for Turkey in FY24, as per the US State Department, was 19.78%, btw. https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY24.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Im...
    - peterfirefly 1y ago
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      - mrtksn 1y ago
        >I'm Danish and we have lots of Turks. They are generally much nicer than the Danes but almost all of them are dunces That's rich coming from someone who doesn't understand what the Schengen visa is about. FYI it's not about settling in Denmark, it's for up to 90 days stays in 180 periods for tourism and business purposes. But hey, the inventors of of the mRNA vaccine are both Turkish immigrants to Germany and there are plenty of other quite successful Turkish immigrants in all kind of industries and the academia. Maybe the problem isn't Turks but you? Thank god your racism isn't shared by that many Europeans.
        peterfirefly 1y ago
        There is clearly something wrong with you.
        mrtksn 1y ago
        is this how you cope with your aging in front of a computer?
- lazide 1y ago
  The US gov’t has been actively targeting CANADA, one of the countries historically closest trading partners and allies. Maybe in the EU it’s all good, but expect a lot of turbulence in the US.
teknopaul 1y ago
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eviks 1y ago
That doesn't explain the same poor operational quality before it became a liability
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mrtksn 1y ago

Turkish tourist are desired, Turks love spending money on restaurants and activities especially since the prices in Turkey have become more expensive than most of the EU. Greeks even introduced special non-Schengen on-arrival visa valid on the Greek islands especially for the Turks. Besides that, EU has "green passport" exception for the Turkish nationals, where they can travel visa-free on this kind of passport that is provided to individuals that meet certain criteria and millions of such passports were issued. The rejection rates are also not bad and EU has a "return agreement" with Turkey, which is designed to keep the middle eastern refugees in Turkey(essentially, if you come from Turkey EU can send you back to Turkey right away ). Crime rates for Turks show up among the lowest ones, unlike others from the region. So I don't think that EU is trying to reduce visas for Turks.

rat9988 1y ago
You are looking at it from Turkish perspective unfortunately.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  I am EU citizen, I happen to know the Turkish perspective only because spent some years in Turkey and in fact it is the Turkish perspective that that EU doesn't want them and intentionally makes things harder but the moment you look at what's actually going on you see that this is not the case, just a Turkish fantasy about the "evil West and snobby Europeans". Considering that last year 50K Turks applied for asylum in EU and another 100K overstayed their visa, IMHO EU can be considered pretty generous actually with only 15% rejection rate since Turkey is the 2nd country with most applications after China. https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/news/visa-applications-reach-117-million-eu-and-schengen-associated-countries-2025-05-20_en https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/news/visa-applications-rea... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Asylum_applications_-_annual_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
  - jimz 1y ago
    B-visa rejection rate for Turkey in FY24, as per the US State Department, was 19.78%, btw. https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY24.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Im...
  - peterfirefly 1y ago
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    - mrtksn 1y ago
      >I'm Danish and we have lots of Turks. They are generally much nicer than the Danes but almost all of them are dunces That's rich coming from someone who doesn't understand what the Schengen visa is about. FYI it's not about settling in Denmark, it's for up to 90 days stays in 180 periods for tourism and business purposes. But hey, the inventors of of the mRNA vaccine are both Turkish immigrants to Germany and there are plenty of other quite successful Turkish immigrants in all kind of industries and the academia. Maybe the problem isn't Turks but you? Thank god your racism isn't shared by that many Europeans.
      - peterfirefly 1y ago
        There is clearly something wrong with you.
        mrtksn 1y ago
        is this how you cope with your aging in front of a computer?
lazide 1y ago
The US gov’t has been actively targeting CANADA, one of the countries historically closest trading partners and allies. Maybe in the EU it’s all good, but expect a lot of turbulence in the US.

teknopaul 1y ago

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eviks 1y ago

That doesn't explain the same poor operational quality before it became a liability

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