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Why do people keep doing this?

by k33n 1y ago

crimsoneer 1y ago
because hackers gonna hack?
simondotau 1y ago
https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/ This, plus a few orders of magnitude.
pjmlp 1y ago
Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village. It was one of the reasons I eventually went back to Windows as main driver, yes it sucks for some things, there is M$ and all that, yet when one of my devices breaks down, I can get a replacement on the same day, without dealing with whatever snowflake hardware I need to order online that hopefully will actually support 100% of its capabilities. VMWare Workstation, and WSL nowadays, take care of whatever needs I might have on GNU/Linux related development. On Cloud side, we use whatever is the provider's custom distro, with customisations that most likely never end upstream.
- prmoustache 1y ago
  > yet when one of my devices breaks down, I can get a replacement on the same day, How many times has it happened in your life? Anyone who uses a computer professionally has a backup ready at all time anyway. These days it is not like it is hard to find a computer with its baseline compatible with linux anyway. An incompatible network chip issue is easily solved with a know USB compatible wifi card. Usually only people buying brand new uncommon tech/features or gaming experience issues.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    I use computers since 1986, UNIX in various flavours since 1992, GNU/Linux since 1995 starting with Slackware 2.0 (kernel 1.0.9, first ELF support), and to this day that is the usual answer in Linux forums. Yet, other than the Netbooks glory days, I am yet to buy a Laptop, even from Linux shops, where everything is 100% supported, or eventually doesn't get broken in some kernel update. I rather use the Linux kernel in the shape of Android/Linux, WebOS/Linux, or device specific ones like Raspberry or Cloud vendors sponsored distros, which they have to maintain themselves for their hardware. Best of all, it all works on whatever I can get on Media Markt, Saturn, FNAC, Cool Blue, Conrad, Publico, Dixons,...
    - eadmund 1y ago
      > Yet, other than the Netbooks glory days, I am yet to buy a Laptop, even from Linux shops, where everything is 100% supported, or eventually doesn't get broken in some kernel update. Purism’s laptops appear to be well-supported and to hold up well over time. System76’s too.
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        Where can I buy them in Europe, without ordering online? Additionally, how many posts from online forums do you want with counter-examples from them?
        prmoustache 1y ago
        If you are in europe you have plenty of choice: slimbook, tuxedo, starlabs, novacustom, keynux, skikk....I think framework ships to europe and make sure their laptops are compatible with linux too: https://frame.work/es/en/linux https://frame.work/es/en/linux EDIT: I hadn't seen the "without ordering online" You just check what models/chipsets are supported when you are in the shops
    - prmoustache 1y ago
      > Best of all, it all works on whatever I can get on Media Markt, Saturn, FNAC, Cool Blue, Conrad, Publico, Dixons,... You don't expect MacOS to work on an ACER laptop you buy at the nearest Mediamarkt right? Nor do you expect to be able to plug a windows installer memory stick and install it on an apple silicon macbook air right ? With only a couple minutes of research it is fairly trivial to find laptops compatible with linux, especially if you stick to business line of laptops such as the thinkpads, dell latitude. I could install and use Fedora on the last 3 professional laptops I have been given by my employers, as in all personal computers I have bought.
- eadmund 1y ago
  > Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village. The politics are required by the fact that we don’t all agree on what improves GNU and Linux versus what makes them worse. But at least with GNU/Linux we have the freedom to disagree and ‘[do] our own village.’ On Windows, Microsoft decides and users comply. Don’t like Windows 11? Tough! Don’t like some (mis)features of Windows 11? Tough!
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    And that is why the likes of Microsoft, Apple and Google win the hearts of consumers, and developers that are't into FOSS dogmas. Too many people busy fighting among themselves instead of a common goal. Divide and conquer.
  - wolvesechoes 1y ago
    This freedom is a comfort of toothless and powerless. FOSS crowd do not have a power to enact a real change and really liberate computer users, so they comfort themselves by escaping to their small digital fiefdoms.

Why do people keep doing this?

by k33n 1y ago

Why do people keep doing this?

crimsoneer 1y ago

because hackers gonna hack?

simondotau 1y ago

https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/ This, plus a few orders of magnitude.

pjmlp 1y ago

Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village. It was one of the reasons I eventually went back to Windows as main driver, yes it sucks for some things, there is M$ and all that, yet when one of my devices breaks down, I can get a replacement on the same day, without dealing with whatever snowflake hardware I need to order online that hopefully will actually support 100% of its capabilities. VMWare Workstation, and WSL nowadays, take care of whatever needs I might have on GNU/Linux related development. On Cloud side, we use whatever is the provider's custom distro, with customisations that most likely never end upstream.

prmoustache 1y ago
> yet when one of my devices breaks down, I can get a replacement on the same day, How many times has it happened in your life? Anyone who uses a computer professionally has a backup ready at all time anyway. These days it is not like it is hard to find a computer with its baseline compatible with linux anyway. An incompatible network chip issue is easily solved with a know USB compatible wifi card. Usually only people buying brand new uncommon tech/features or gaming experience issues.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  I use computers since 1986, UNIX in various flavours since 1992, GNU/Linux since 1995 starting with Slackware 2.0 (kernel 1.0.9, first ELF support), and to this day that is the usual answer in Linux forums. Yet, other than the Netbooks glory days, I am yet to buy a Laptop, even from Linux shops, where everything is 100% supported, or eventually doesn't get broken in some kernel update. I rather use the Linux kernel in the shape of Android/Linux, WebOS/Linux, or device specific ones like Raspberry or Cloud vendors sponsored distros, which they have to maintain themselves for their hardware. Best of all, it all works on whatever I can get on Media Markt, Saturn, FNAC, Cool Blue, Conrad, Publico, Dixons,...
  - eadmund 1y ago
    > Yet, other than the Netbooks glory days, I am yet to buy a Laptop, even from Linux shops, where everything is 100% supported, or eventually doesn't get broken in some kernel update. Purism’s laptops appear to be well-supported and to hold up well over time. System76’s too.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      Where can I buy them in Europe, without ordering online? Additionally, how many posts from online forums do you want with counter-examples from them?
      - prmoustache 1y ago
        If you are in europe you have plenty of choice: slimbook, tuxedo, starlabs, novacustom, keynux, skikk....I think framework ships to europe and make sure their laptops are compatible with linux too: https://frame.work/es/en/linux https://frame.work/es/en/linux EDIT: I hadn't seen the "without ordering online" You just check what models/chipsets are supported when you are in the shops
  - prmoustache 1y ago
    > Best of all, it all works on whatever I can get on Media Markt, Saturn, FNAC, Cool Blue, Conrad, Publico, Dixons,... You don't expect MacOS to work on an ACER laptop you buy at the nearest Mediamarkt right? Nor do you expect to be able to plug a windows installer memory stick and install it on an apple silicon macbook air right ? With only a couple minutes of research it is fairly trivial to find laptops compatible with linux, especially if you stick to business line of laptops such as the thinkpads, dell latitude. I could install and use Fedora on the last 3 professional laptops I have been given by my employers, as in all personal computers I have bought.
eadmund 1y ago
> Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village. The politics are required by the fact that we don’t all agree on what improves GNU and Linux versus what makes them worse. But at least with GNU/Linux we have the freedom to disagree and ‘[do] our own village.’ On Windows, Microsoft decides and users comply. Don’t like Windows 11? Tough! Don’t like some (mis)features of Windows 11? Tough!
- pjmlp 1y ago
  And that is why the likes of Microsoft, Apple and Google win the hearts of consumers, and developers that are't into FOSS dogmas. Too many people busy fighting among themselves instead of a common goal. Divide and conquer.
- wolvesechoes 1y ago
  This freedom is a comfort of toothless and powerless. FOSS crowd do not have a power to enact a real change and really liberate computer users, so they comfort themselves by escaping to their small digital fiefdoms.