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Yep, I used to deal with this at $LastJob and amount of support burden was terrible. Azure AD/Entra ID (Microsoft IDP) was most common and amount of IT folks w

Yep, I used to deal with this at $LastJob and amount of support burden was terrible. Azure AD/Entra ID (Microsoft IDP) was most common and amount of IT folks who don't have a clue about it is staggering. Companies kicking over issues to us when it's their problem. "Hey, we have a ticket saying MFA Required but account shows as Entra ID." "Send it back with contact their IT team." "Their IT team opened the ticket" rage screaming Companies not following setup instructions. I used to provide Terraform, Powershell and Graphical setup. I can count on one hand how many people used Terraform/Powershell. This was always dicey because I got familiar with the error messages and would be "Yep, this was not setup right on their end." I had 4 phone calls with $CustomerIT swearing it was setup properly and stopped attending after that. Finally they got someone with a brain to review and finished setup. Documentation would fall out of date because of some UI change and I'd spend a day reviewing it and updating it.

mikestorrent 1y ago
To be fair, Entra is an abysmally bad user experience; their support barely knows anything about it. Provisioning is clunky and slow. Applications are split into two halves. Self-service password reset is a half-finished joke. Tip of the iceberg: adding a custom field to a user record is possible, but you need to use the Graph API to do it; once you've added it, it is never visible on any UI, you can only get the data back out via API. So good luck making a custom field that your clerical staff can actually work with. There's Terraform support to add applications to it, but you end up having to go in and click "grant admin consent"... no way to do the whole thing IaC without a bit of manual interaction. Maybe that's a good thing? Annoying anyway.
- stackskipton 1y ago
  >There's Terraform support to add applications to it, but you end up having to go in and click "grant admin consent"... no way to do the whole thing IaC without a bit of manual interaction. Maybe that's a good thing? Annoying anyway. Previous customer IT support staff, is that you? I kid. resource "azuread_service_principal_delegated_permission_grant" "grant" { service_principal_object_id = blah resource_service_principal_object_id = blah claim_values = ["openid"] }
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  - mikestorrent 1y ago
    Hmm, I could swear this didn't work the last time I tried it, but that was a while ago, and it worked an absolute treat. I was probably just confused by it. Thanks for the pointer, you've made things a tiny bit better :)
lurking_swe 1y ago
I’m confused. _allowing_ a user to configure SSO for free doesn’t require a company to offer onboarding / education help to that user. That can be offered exclusively to paying customers.
- crinkly 1y ago
  I will say that most of the consumers of SaaS SSO solutions in our experience are the lowest bidding MSPs the customer can find or some oursourced operation. They usually employ the lowest paid fuckwits who play pass the blame around as long as possible and expect the supplier to prove every issue isn’t them. Of course we’re happy to charge them to deal with that shit. If we don’t then they go to twitter and the trade press to shit on our product.
  - lurking_swe 1y ago
    i do sympathize - dealing with customers can be a nightmare sometimes.

mikestorrent 1y ago

To be fair, Entra is an abysmally bad user experience; their support barely knows anything about it. Provisioning is clunky and slow. Applications are split into two halves. Self-service password reset is a half-finished joke. Tip of the iceberg: adding a custom field to a user record is possible, but you need to use the Graph API to do it; once you've added it, it is never visible on any UI, you can only get the data back out via API. So good luck making a custom field that your clerical staff can actually work with. There's Terraform support to add applications to it, but you end up having to go in and click "grant admin consent"... no way to do the whole thing IaC without a bit of manual interaction. Maybe that's a good thing? Annoying anyway.

stackskipton 1y ago
>There's Terraform support to add applications to it, but you end up having to go in and click "grant admin consent"... no way to do the whole thing IaC without a bit of manual interaction. Maybe that's a good thing? Annoying anyway. Previous customer IT support staff, is that you? I kid. resource "azuread_service_principal_delegated_permission_grant" "grant" { service_principal_object_id = blah resource_service_principal_object_id = blah claim_values = ["openid"] }
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- mikestorrent 1y ago
  Hmm, I could swear this didn't work the last time I tried it, but that was a while ago, and it worked an absolute treat. I was probably just confused by it. Thanks for the pointer, you've made things a tiny bit better :)

lurking_swe 1y ago

I’m confused. _allowing_ a user to configure SSO for free doesn’t require a company to offer onboarding / education help to that user. That can be offered exclusively to paying customers.

crinkly 1y ago
I will say that most of the consumers of SaaS SSO solutions in our experience are the lowest bidding MSPs the customer can find or some oursourced operation. They usually employ the lowest paid fuckwits who play pass the blame around as long as possible and expect the supplier to prove every issue isn’t them. Of course we’re happy to charge them to deal with that shit. If we don’t then they go to twitter and the trade press to shit on our product.
- lurking_swe 1y ago
  i do sympathize - dealing with customers can be a nightmare sometimes.