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I have a feeling that hardcore data scientists will continue to use RStudio because of the huge ecosystem there, while data engineers will continue to use VSCod

by dvt 1y ago

I have a feeling that hardcore data scientists will continue to use RStudio because of the huge ecosystem there, while data engineers will continue to use VSCode which is, at least for me, good enough with a few extensions that let me run notebooks and data visualizations when I need to do data work. In other words, I'm not sure if there's a niche here.

dash2 1y ago
The ecosystem is just R packages, right? There's also RStudio integration with e.g. rmarkdown, knitr, quarto etc. but presumably all of that can also come in positron.
- dvt 1y ago
  Yeah, I'm a huge fan of rmarkdown & knitr, not sure if that's Positron compatible—I know that I get RStudio menus/dropdowns that come with those integrations.
  - greazy 1y ago
    They're being phased out and replaced with Quarto.
    - cscheid 1y ago
      (FWIW, I'm the technical lead on the Quarto project) RMarkdown isn't going anywhere! Quarto exists to bring the RMarkdown experience that folks love to a broader set of users and contexts. It is true that we try to keep the .qmd experience in Quarto pretty close to the .rmd experience in RMarkdown, and it is true that Quarto does things that RMarkdown never will. But it's not the case that "RMarkdown is being phased out and replaced with Quarto".
      - greazy 1y ago
        Thanks for the correction! I might be conflating rmarkdown with knitr because the developer of knitr (who was employed on some capacity by Posit) was let go. For how long do you think Posit will continue to support both platforms?
- stoorafa 1y ago
  Not completely—as far as ecosystems there are RStudio addins, but I wouldn’t bet addins are extensively used
stoorafa 1y ago
I understand the strategy isn’t to find a niche in the sense of a specific set of users, but to broaden and cover more niches The niches exist (overlapping niches aside), but agree with the skepticism since I also wonder whether the switching cost is worthwhile for many users
comte7092 1y ago
As a former R studio user and current VS code user, I downloaded this… then I realized there’s no WSL support and realized it’ll have to wait. For reference I’m on a small Data Eng/analyst team.
- atheriel 1y ago
  There is a pretty widely-used extension [0] for using Positron with WSL, if that's helpful to you. [0]: https://open-vsx.org/extension/kv9898/open-remote-wsl https://open-vsx.org/extension/kv9898/open-remote-wsl

by dvt 1y ago

dash2 1y ago

The ecosystem is just R packages, right? There's also RStudio integration with e.g. rmarkdown, knitr, quarto etc. but presumably all of that can also come in positron.

dvt 1y ago
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of rmarkdown & knitr, not sure if that's Positron compatible—I know that I get RStudio menus/dropdowns that come with those integrations.
- greazy 1y ago
  They're being phased out and replaced with Quarto.
  - cscheid 1y ago
    (FWIW, I'm the technical lead on the Quarto project) RMarkdown isn't going anywhere! Quarto exists to bring the RMarkdown experience that folks love to a broader set of users and contexts. It is true that we try to keep the .qmd experience in Quarto pretty close to the .rmd experience in RMarkdown, and it is true that Quarto does things that RMarkdown never will. But it's not the case that "RMarkdown is being phased out and replaced with Quarto".
    - greazy 1y ago
      Thanks for the correction! I might be conflating rmarkdown with knitr because the developer of knitr (who was employed on some capacity by Posit) was let go. For how long do you think Posit will continue to support both platforms?
stoorafa 1y ago
Not completely—as far as ecosystems there are RStudio addins, but I wouldn’t bet addins are extensively used

stoorafa 1y ago

I understand the strategy isn’t to find a niche in the sense of a specific set of users, but to broaden and cover more niches The niches exist (overlapping niches aside), but agree with the skepticism since I also wonder whether the switching cost is worthwhile for many users

comte7092 1y ago

As a former R studio user and current VS code user, I downloaded this… then I realized there’s no WSL support and realized it’ll have to wait. For reference I’m on a small Data Eng/analyst team.

atheriel 1y ago
There is a pretty widely-used extension [0] for using Positron with WSL, if that's helpful to you. [0]: https://open-vsx.org/extension/kv9898/open-remote-wsl https://open-vsx.org/extension/kv9898/open-remote-wsl