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Wait until you find out about Native American's unrestricted fishing rights and their use of modern commercial fishing ships and equipment.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
True on the Columbia river too
- dogman144 1y ago
  Yes, the river system of about 10 others that the US successfully dammed up in the hot passion of 1950’s engineering culture run wild and successfully more or less ended the salmon runs south of British Columbia? Yes, definitely the fishing patterns from tribes, not the 10-15 concrete dams.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    Both things can be true
dogman144 1y ago
Rich comment, but a an old one. Global warming is playing out in AK in a way only as observable down south with perhaps the dwindling skiing and the colo river. Wrapping that all up into how you phrased it is pretty darn close to the ol “greedy undisciplined Native” trope. But sure, blame the tribes, and make sure it’s done extra strongly on the next sport fishing trip in Ak that can’t offer Kings as you’ll be seen as very aware of the issues by your guide.
- eYrKEC2 1y ago
  What if it's rich, because it's true. I've lived next to two different reservations in WA state and I can confirm the fantastic equipment. Also, on a random tour of the Leavenworth fish hatchery, we stumbled upon a fishery-management-sanctioned culling of "excess" fish at the Leavenworth fish hatchery into large blue food grade containers as part of tribes "share". The whole story of where the fish are going is useful, even if it contradicts your preconceptions.
  - dogman144 1y ago
    Have lived next to 2-3x reservations myself. If the worst thing you can say to prove a point is “they have fantastic equipment,” well arguably they could be owed some good equipment in exchange for the total culture, socioeconomic collapse. And fantastic equipment tends to produce less waste. That’s also ignoring we’re talking salmon run numbers and you’re talking excess at the hatchery. There’s no issues at the hatchery, they can sudo user their way into more fish at that stage. What’s at obvious issue is what happens to the fish when they’re out there and growing and then coming back to spawn. Also interesting how you can laser in on the natives and ignore… all of the dams in WA, Or, Cali and their documented 50 yr+ impact on west coast salmon. Like I said, have lived next to rezs myself. The coded language from WA, Idaho, MT, WY non-natives tends to be anything but coded.
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      >arguably they could be owed some good equipment No >The coded language There isn't any coded language here. PNW Indian tribes should not be given extraordinary fishing rights.
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  dont thinks hes blaming them, hes just pointing it out

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago

True on the Columbia river too

dogman144 1y ago
Yes, the river system of about 10 others that the US successfully dammed up in the hot passion of 1950’s engineering culture run wild and successfully more or less ended the salmon runs south of British Columbia? Yes, definitely the fishing patterns from tribes, not the 10-15 concrete dams.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  Both things can be true

dogman144 1y ago

Rich comment, but a an old one. Global warming is playing out in AK in a way only as observable down south with perhaps the dwindling skiing and the colo river. Wrapping that all up into how you phrased it is pretty darn close to the ol “greedy undisciplined Native” trope. But sure, blame the tribes, and make sure it’s done extra strongly on the next sport fishing trip in Ak that can’t offer Kings as you’ll be seen as very aware of the issues by your guide.

eYrKEC2 1y ago
What if it's rich, because it's true. I've lived next to two different reservations in WA state and I can confirm the fantastic equipment. Also, on a random tour of the Leavenworth fish hatchery, we stumbled upon a fishery-management-sanctioned culling of "excess" fish at the Leavenworth fish hatchery into large blue food grade containers as part of tribes "share". The whole story of where the fish are going is useful, even if it contradicts your preconceptions.
- dogman144 1y ago
  Have lived next to 2-3x reservations myself. If the worst thing you can say to prove a point is “they have fantastic equipment,” well arguably they could be owed some good equipment in exchange for the total culture, socioeconomic collapse. And fantastic equipment tends to produce less waste. That’s also ignoring we’re talking salmon run numbers and you’re talking excess at the hatchery. There’s no issues at the hatchery, they can sudo user their way into more fish at that stage. What’s at obvious issue is what happens to the fish when they’re out there and growing and then coming back to spawn. Also interesting how you can laser in on the natives and ignore… all of the dams in WA, Or, Cali and their documented 50 yr+ impact on west coast salmon. Like I said, have lived next to rezs myself. The coded language from WA, Idaho, MT, WY non-natives tends to be anything but coded.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    >arguably they could be owed some good equipment No >The coded language There isn't any coded language here. PNW Indian tribes should not be given extraordinary fishing rights.
skeezyboy 1y ago
dont thinks hes blaming them, hes just pointing it out