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> It’s another “we listened the community and nobody told us no” moment. Like Go’s telemetry issue. Go changed their telemetry to opt-in based on community fee
by agwa 1y ago
> It’s another “we listened the community and nobody told us no” moment. Like Go’s telemetry issue.
Go changed their telemetry to opt-in based on community feedback, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that example.
- bayindirh 1y agoNo. The official statement from Brian was “I received a couple of personal e-mails from some credible people who stated that their data belonged to them, so we (I) decided to make it opt-in” (paraphrased). I spent days in that thread. That uproar was “a bunch of noisy minority which doesn’t worth listening” for them.
- arccy 1y agowhere is this official statement, I don't think you even managed to get the name right
- bayindirh 1y agoSorry. Was at dinner. It's Russ Cox. Being hungry and in a hurry doesn't help with remembering names. The GitHub discussion is there: https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/58409 https://github.com/golang/go/discussions/58409 but the words I of Russ I cited is here: https://groups.google.com/g/golang-dev/c/73vJrjQTU1M/m/WKj7p0N7AwAJ https://groups.google.com/g/golang-dev/c/73vJrjQTU1M/m/WKj7p... Copying verbatim: It's good to know that's what it looks like. I can tell you that the shouting did not really influence the decision. Long-time Go contributors and supporters commenting quietly or emailing me privately had far greater influence. So as a person who just started programming Go and made some good technical comments didn't matter at all. Only people with clout has mattered, and the voice had to come from the team itself. Otherwise we the users' influence is "fuck all" (sorry, my blood boils every time I read this comment from Russ).
- rafram 1y agoI mean yeah, I too would probably prefer to read a few well-reasoned arguments over email than to wade through hundreds of hateful, vitriolic, accusatory comments from randos in a GitHub thread. Being an open-source maintainer is hard.
- troupo 1y agoOr, you know, do the right thing from the start considering that forced telemetry you have to opt-out of is universally reviled and every project that includes it suffers from literally the same issues.
- tptacek 1y agoIt's weird to see you try to make hay out of Google doing the thing you actually wanted them to do.
- bayindirh 1y agoPlease see my other comment in the same thread.