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First paragraph is very reasonable. Second is insane. It clearly does not follow from "Canada does accurate hand counts" that "voting machines are inaccurate"

by ajross 1y ago

First paragraph is very reasonable. Second is insane. It clearly does not follow from "Canada does accurate hand counts" that "voting machines are inaccurate". In fact voting is extremely accurate throughout the democratic world regardless of counting method, and this fact wasn't particularly controversial for decades and decades. The idea that we somehow have a problem to be solved is the actual attack on democracy. And it's working. I know it sounds like hyperbole, but there is a very serious risk that the USA has already seen its last peaceful democratic handover of power. The people with control of the levers of power seem extremely disinclined to accept loss of that power.

dleslie 1y ago
Something as powerful and important as political control shouldn't be relying on something as brittle and vulnerable as software. Even NASA launches with software bugs, from time to time; and the electronic voting vendors aren't up to those standards.
mmastrac 1y ago
"insane" is a little rude, that's not a great reply to my comment by any stretch. Voting machines are far easier to hack than human processes, and there have been numerous presentations on this particular topic. American politics being off the deep end is an entirely different topic.
- vmh1928 1y ago
  You let machines count your money don't you? Who insists on a hand count of the currency to verify your monthly checking or brokerage account? They don't even count cash by hand, it's all done via machines.
  - mmastrac 1y ago
    That's a terrible analogy, and it's impossible to list all the reasons why. Money doesn't work like ballots. All ballots are the same value, and each voter is entitled to one only. If the pennies in my account are miscounted, I certainly won't give a damn.
- radixdiaboli 1y ago
  TFA is about the US. It cites cases where hand counting has resulted in higher error rates in the US. Voting machines are have proven to be reliable in the US. Dominion Voting continues to rack up huge defamation wins in court over this. You're just FUDding.

by ajross 1y ago

dleslie 1y ago

Something as powerful and important as political control shouldn't be relying on something as brittle and vulnerable as software. Even NASA launches with software bugs, from time to time; and the electronic voting vendors aren't up to those standards.

mmastrac 1y ago

"insane" is a little rude, that's not a great reply to my comment by any stretch. Voting machines are far easier to hack than human processes, and there have been numerous presentations on this particular topic. American politics being off the deep end is an entirely different topic.

vmh1928 1y ago
You let machines count your money don't you? Who insists on a hand count of the currency to verify your monthly checking or brokerage account? They don't even count cash by hand, it's all done via machines.
- mmastrac 1y ago
  That's a terrible analogy, and it's impossible to list all the reasons why. Money doesn't work like ballots. All ballots are the same value, and each voter is entitled to one only. If the pennies in my account are miscounted, I certainly won't give a damn.
radixdiaboli 1y ago
TFA is about the US. It cites cases where hand counting has resulted in higher error rates in the US. Voting machines are have proven to be reliable in the US. Dominion Voting continues to rack up huge defamation wins in court over this. You're just FUDding.