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This is great! I never understood how people learn how to make solid PCBs, I've made a few things but I think I must be missing some decoupling capacitors or re

This is great! I never understood how people learn how to make solid PCBs, I've made a few things but I think I must be missing some decoupling capacitors or resistors or whatever, because my microcontrollers aren't very stable. How do you all just know what stuff to put on the PCB? Do you read the datasheet for the component and add whatever is there?

Palomides 1y ago
basically every part will provide a minimal schematic in the datasheet or have a reference design you can copy from some stuff may be somewhat glossed over, like usage of ground planes or which traces you're supposed to keep short, but when those are important they'll usually be mentioned, or even spelled out in a application note
waerhert 1y ago
Checking the datasheet is essential, they usually show the “must-have” parts around a chip. Beyond that, good habits are adding decoupling caps close to the pins, keeping ground solid, and following the reference layout. I also learned a lot just by listening to experienced designers explain their choices, like here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUqaB0IMh4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUqaB0IMh4
- stavros 1y ago
  Thanks, I'll read more datasheets, as I've kind of just been winging it (with terrible results, as you saw).
  - mkipper 1y ago
    If you're pulling the datasheet from the vendor website, you can also skim the list of documentation and see if there are any application notes available for the part. For more "complicated" parts (e.g. lots of signals, high frequency, high power, etc.), integrating the part into a board design isn't necessarily straightforward. Rather than putting a ton of detail in the datasheet, the vendor will sometimes have an entirely separate document with design guidelines for the part.
bongodongobob 1y ago
Yeah, you have to read the data sheets. Beyond that, use decoupling caps for all power pins, as close to the chip as you can, and make one side of the PCB a ground plane. These 2 things should solve most of your issues.
- stavros 1y ago
  Excellent, thank you. I already do the plane, but not the caps. Thanks!
  - ted_dunning 1y ago
    Based on seeing lots of beginners (me, too, at one time) do ground planes wrong, this video may help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEb_0dja8tE&t=746s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEb_0dja8tE&t=746s Hans Rosenburg explains some tricky concepts very clearly. The upshot is a) 4 layer boards are much easier to get right b) you really need an unbroken ground plane for return currents. This is often incompatible with having just two layers. c) putting the ground plane much closer to the protected signals is a really good thing. Again, that means 4 layer boards.
ACCount37 1y ago
For an MCU: find a development board with schematics available, and use that as a reference/starting point.

Palomides 1y ago

basically every part will provide a minimal schematic in the datasheet or have a reference design you can copy from some stuff may be somewhat glossed over, like usage of ground planes or which traces you're supposed to keep short, but when those are important they'll usually be mentioned, or even spelled out in a application note

waerhert 1y ago

Checking the datasheet is essential, they usually show the “must-have” parts around a chip. Beyond that, good habits are adding decoupling caps close to the pins, keeping ground solid, and following the reference layout. I also learned a lot just by listening to experienced designers explain their choices, like here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUqaB0IMh4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUqaB0IMh4

stavros 1y ago
Thanks, I'll read more datasheets, as I've kind of just been winging it (with terrible results, as you saw).
- mkipper 1y ago
  If you're pulling the datasheet from the vendor website, you can also skim the list of documentation and see if there are any application notes available for the part. For more "complicated" parts (e.g. lots of signals, high frequency, high power, etc.), integrating the part into a board design isn't necessarily straightforward. Rather than putting a ton of detail in the datasheet, the vendor will sometimes have an entirely separate document with design guidelines for the part.

bongodongobob 1y ago

Yeah, you have to read the data sheets. Beyond that, use decoupling caps for all power pins, as close to the chip as you can, and make one side of the PCB a ground plane. These 2 things should solve most of your issues.

stavros 1y ago
Excellent, thank you. I already do the plane, but not the caps. Thanks!
- ted_dunning 1y ago
  Based on seeing lots of beginners (me, too, at one time) do ground planes wrong, this video may help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEb_0dja8tE&t=746s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEb_0dja8tE&t=746s Hans Rosenburg explains some tricky concepts very clearly. The upshot is a) 4 layer boards are much easier to get right b) you really need an unbroken ground plane for return currents. This is often incompatible with having just two layers. c) putting the ground plane much closer to the protected signals is a really good thing. Again, that means 4 layer boards.

ACCount37 1y ago

For an MCU: find a development board with schematics available, and use that as a reference/starting point.