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From Apple's point of view, Apple Vision (Pro) is the ultimate platform. That's why I think they were so convinced in developing it. If VR/AR headsets follow th

From Apple's point of view, Apple Vision (Pro) is the ultimate platform. That's why I think they were so convinced in developing it. If VR/AR headsets follow the same transition we had between the first gigantic mobile phones of thw 80s and the pocketable ones of the 2000s, I could seriously see Apple throwing out all their consumer lineup (phone, watch, ipad, macbook) and only have a Vision device. This would solve all the problems regarding different experiences.

esskay 1y ago
We're still a long way before it being a viable option to ditch all other devices for. If they could get it working as an AR glasses wirelessly reliant on an iPhone then that would be the thing that makes it go from weird overpriced useless product to an actual useful device. Getting rid of the phone completely though is a whole other issue and we're nowhere near being able to ship anything with enough computing power and battery capacity into a form factor as light as standard glasses. The whole chunky VR headset thing - no, that's not taking off as a thing people will wear all day.
gregoriol 1y ago
The Apple Vision solves no problems, like the Apple Watch, they are just toys.
- hoherd 1y ago
  I disagree that the watch is just a toy. If it were, I never would've bought one. The only reason I got an Apple Watch is because Fitbit stopped selling the pendant pedometer, and if I was going to have to wear a watch, it might as well be integrated tightly with my phone. For me, the Apple Watch is primarily a fitness device. That's almost the only reason I have it. I don't want to wear a watch. I don't load any music, podcasts, or almost any apps on it. I use it to track my activity and compare my daily health with past trends. That's like 95% of what I use it for. I even keep theater mode turned on 24x7 because I almost never look at it to check the time. I also use it to tell Siri "set a timer" and "turn of the bedroom light... turn off the BEDROOM LIGHT... TURN OFF THE BEDROOM LIGHT."
- Almondsetat 1y ago
  Whatever you posted this reply with is just a silly worthless toy. No, I will not elaborate
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    Silly and worthless is your own editorializing. And unlike Vision Pro or Apple Watch, the toy I posted this comment with can write and publish software. Or host a website. Gasp, install real browser engines! Calling the Vision Pro a "toy" is a generosity for something that isn't fun or seriously intended for use by children. The Quest is a toy, the Vision Pro is a black eye for moneyed adults that lack responsible impulse control when they're marketed something shiny.
    - Almondsetat 1y ago
      You call the Vision Pro "not fun", as if your own personal opinion constituted fact. You also characterize the buyers of the Vision Pro as "lacking impulse control when they're marketed something funny", which is not only belittling and condescending, but also an utterly unwarranted generalization.
      - gregoriol 1y ago
        He is right though. The facts are that the thing has been bought by people for show, and not used for anything useful at all ever. This says quite much about the buyers and the product.
        Almondsetat 1y ago
        No it doesn't. You are just trying to rationalize your insulting prejudices
wpm 1y ago
You still could t ditch the Mac because it’s the only platform you can develop apps on due to its yucky, “legacy” feature of….letting you run software on it without Apples “approval”. I’m sure it’s true what they say and it’s really about “security” though, not their App Store monopoly. Even Apple can’t get around that. The Mac sticks around for this very reason: as a dev platform
- Almondsetat 1y ago
  I specifically said "consumer lineup" and not "professional lineup"
- benoau 1y ago
  I think they're well on the path of replacing the "legacy" development structure with entirely closed, iOS-only app development since Swift Playgrounds 4: https://screenrant.com/publish-ios-apps-ipad-swift-playgrounds-4-how/ https://screenrant.com/publish-ios-apps-ipad-swift-playgroun... To me it feels like a waiting game - most people under 20 have lived their entire lives within "walled gardens" aka "what's a computer". The EU has already failed to break this cycle, if the DOJ can't do better and Apple can derail smaller countries efforts then this restrictive model will become entrenched as normal over the next two decades.
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  I always hope that Apple someday locks down their computers like that.

esskay 1y ago

We're still a long way before it being a viable option to ditch all other devices for. If they could get it working as an AR glasses wirelessly reliant on an iPhone then that would be the thing that makes it go from weird overpriced useless product to an actual useful device. Getting rid of the phone completely though is a whole other issue and we're nowhere near being able to ship anything with enough computing power and battery capacity into a form factor as light as standard glasses. The whole chunky VR headset thing - no, that's not taking off as a thing people will wear all day.

gregoriol 1y ago

The Apple Vision solves no problems, like the Apple Watch, they are just toys.

hoherd 1y ago
I disagree that the watch is just a toy. If it were, I never would've bought one. The only reason I got an Apple Watch is because Fitbit stopped selling the pendant pedometer, and if I was going to have to wear a watch, it might as well be integrated tightly with my phone. For me, the Apple Watch is primarily a fitness device. That's almost the only reason I have it. I don't want to wear a watch. I don't load any music, podcasts, or almost any apps on it. I use it to track my activity and compare my daily health with past trends. That's like 95% of what I use it for. I even keep theater mode turned on 24x7 because I almost never look at it to check the time. I also use it to tell Siri "set a timer" and "turn of the bedroom light... turn off the BEDROOM LIGHT... TURN OFF THE BEDROOM LIGHT."
Almondsetat 1y ago
Whatever you posted this reply with is just a silly worthless toy. No, I will not elaborate
- bigyabai 1y ago
  Silly and worthless is your own editorializing. And unlike Vision Pro or Apple Watch, the toy I posted this comment with can write and publish software. Or host a website. Gasp, install real browser engines! Calling the Vision Pro a "toy" is a generosity for something that isn't fun or seriously intended for use by children. The Quest is a toy, the Vision Pro is a black eye for moneyed adults that lack responsible impulse control when they're marketed something shiny.
  - Almondsetat 1y ago
    You call the Vision Pro "not fun", as if your own personal opinion constituted fact. You also characterize the buyers of the Vision Pro as "lacking impulse control when they're marketed something funny", which is not only belittling and condescending, but also an utterly unwarranted generalization.
    - gregoriol 1y ago
      He is right though. The facts are that the thing has been bought by people for show, and not used for anything useful at all ever. This says quite much about the buyers and the product.
      - Almondsetat 1y ago
        No it doesn't. You are just trying to rationalize your insulting prejudices

wpm 1y ago

You still could t ditch the Mac because it’s the only platform you can develop apps on due to its yucky, “legacy” feature of….letting you run software on it without Apples “approval”. I’m sure it’s true what they say and it’s really about “security” though, not their App Store monopoly. Even Apple can’t get around that. The Mac sticks around for this very reason: as a dev platform

Almondsetat 1y ago
I specifically said "consumer lineup" and not "professional lineup"
benoau 1y ago
I think they're well on the path of replacing the "legacy" development structure with entirely closed, iOS-only app development since Swift Playgrounds 4: https://screenrant.com/publish-ios-apps-ipad-swift-playgrounds-4-how/ https://screenrant.com/publish-ios-apps-ipad-swift-playgroun... To me it feels like a waiting game - most people under 20 have lived their entire lives within "walled gardens" aka "what's a computer". The EU has already failed to break this cycle, if the DOJ can't do better and Apple can derail smaller countries efforts then this restrictive model will become entrenched as normal over the next two decades.
surgical_fire 1y ago
I always hope that Apple someday locks down their computers like that.