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Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975, and its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats.

by litbear2022 1y ago

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leosanchez 1y ago
> Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975 A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. > its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats. Source? or are you just spreading CCP propaganda?
- orangeboats 1y ago
  >A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese... But referendum is by far the worst tool you can use to support your point. Even more so, when South Asia is notorious for election rigging. By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule.
  - leosanchez 1y ago
    > I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ? > Even more so, when South Asia Indira Gandhi imposed emergency in 1975 and lost in 1977. If there was widespread election rigging she wouldn't have lost the election. > By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule. Can you point to a separatist movement from the people of Sikkim, 1975 to today ? Without that, your comment just doesn't make any sense. You come across as CCP shill.
    - orangeboats 1y ago
      >Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ? I never said anything to that effect. I simply said referendum, especially one regarding the sovereignty of a nation, is a wildly inaccurate tool to assess popularity. Hence, >You come across as CCP shill. Is a very, very disappointing direction that you have decided to take the discussion toward.
      - pk97 1y ago
        As someone who has been to Sikkim and spoken with people there, I can say they are proud and happy to be Indians. In fact, they receive several concessions from the Indian state for being part of the Union - for example, they are exempt from income tax. While a referendum may not always be the best measure of sentiment, the absence of insurgency in Sikkim (unlike in some other regions in India) suggests that people are broadly content with being part of India.
        orangeboats 1y ago
        If you have been there and know that the Sikkimese are comfortable with being part of India, that's good! I am only resistant to the idea that "referendums = popularity".
        litbear2022 1y ago
        According to your logic, you could go to eastern Ukraine and ask the same question in ten years. Or maybe even less.
        leosanchez 1y ago
        The parallel to Ukraine is Tibet, not Sikkim. Nice try
        litbear2022 1y ago
        If pooping on the beach is a Canadian tradition, then you're right.
- litbear2022 1y ago
  Go look for the referendum results in the Ganges, poor Western netizens.
  - defrost 1y ago
    You've been advised to read and follow the guidelines multiple times in the past. If you have a constructive and informative counter response that will educate "poor westerners" then by all means provide that.
  - leosanchez 1y ago
    > Go look for the referendum results in the Ganges What does this even mean? Do you have a source to back up your claims or not? > poor Western netizens. What is this to do with westerners? Are you having trouble translating Chinese to English ?

Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975, and its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats.

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leosanchez 1y ago

> Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975 A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. > its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats. Source? or are you just spreading CCP propaganda?

orangeboats 1y ago
>A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese... But referendum is by far the worst tool you can use to support your point. Even more so, when South Asia is notorious for election rigging. By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule.
- leosanchez 1y ago
  > I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ? > Even more so, when South Asia Indira Gandhi imposed emergency in 1975 and lost in 1977. If there was widespread election rigging she wouldn't have lost the election. > By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule. Can you point to a separatist movement from the people of Sikkim, 1975 to today ? Without that, your comment just doesn't make any sense. You come across as CCP shill.
  - orangeboats 1y ago
    >Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ? I never said anything to that effect. I simply said referendum, especially one regarding the sovereignty of a nation, is a wildly inaccurate tool to assess popularity. Hence, >You come across as CCP shill. Is a very, very disappointing direction that you have decided to take the discussion toward.
    - pk97 1y ago
      As someone who has been to Sikkim and spoken with people there, I can say they are proud and happy to be Indians. In fact, they receive several concessions from the Indian state for being part of the Union - for example, they are exempt from income tax. While a referendum may not always be the best measure of sentiment, the absence of insurgency in Sikkim (unlike in some other regions in India) suggests that people are broadly content with being part of India.
      - orangeboats 1y ago
        If you have been there and know that the Sikkimese are comfortable with being part of India, that's good! I am only resistant to the idea that "referendums = popularity".
      - litbear2022 1y ago
        According to your logic, you could go to eastern Ukraine and ask the same question in ten years. Or maybe even less.
        leosanchez 1y ago
        The parallel to Ukraine is Tibet, not Sikkim. Nice try
        litbear2022 1y ago
        If pooping on the beach is a Canadian tradition, then you're right.
litbear2022 1y ago
Go look for the referendum results in the Ganges, poor Western netizens.
- defrost 1y ago
  You've been advised to read and follow the guidelines multiple times in the past. If you have a constructive and informative counter response that will educate "poor westerners" then by all means provide that.
- leosanchez 1y ago
  > Go look for the referendum results in the Ganges What does this even mean? Do you have a source to back up your claims or not? > poor Western netizens. What is this to do with westerners? Are you having trouble translating Chinese to English ?