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I’m not a religious person, but sometimes I wonder if the downfall of religion in society really fucked some people up. Where happened to our values? What hap

I’m not a religious person, but sometimes I wonder if the downfall of religion in society really fucked some people up. Where happened to our values? What happened to family, and being involved in your community. Now I’m a failure if I haven’t built 2 companies by the age of thirty?

quantified 1y ago
Religion has fucked those values. Have you seen any televangelists or megachurch preachers? Look at the grifters around the White House.
- sojournerc 1y ago
  Televangelists should not be your gauge of all religion or religious people
  - quantified 1y ago
    I think I'm safe from that. Islam is dominated by other types, and Buddhist, Shinto, Hindu do not have ones I know of. (They might. I don't know) However, the televangelists are the influential ones, guiding the USA executive and legislative branches for a long time (hello Moral Majority).
    - sojournerc 1y ago
      Not sure where you're from but those types really are the minority (very small) of American Christians.
rogerkirkness 1y ago
Yeah I agree, there is a total absence of values from silicon valley at this point. It is no different from 1980s wall street basically.
- quantified 1y ago
  Possibly more money, more concentrated money?
King-Aaron 1y ago
People broadly do still learn and hold good values, for the most part. I would wager an upbringing on Star Trek will give you a far better moral compass than ANY religion would. Unfortunately what you're identifying here is the effects of unchained capitalism which demands more and more while returning less and less, as it's core function. It is fundamentally unsustainable and the effects you're highlighting here (fracturing of family, fracturing of community) is the result of that pressure.
duxup 1y ago
Maybe, but I'm not so sure, the religious right in the US is happy to cut funds to help care for god's children ... they seem more interested in imposing their religion on others via law than evangelizing or even loving others. Religious history is hardly peaceful. Nobody seems to bring the hate as efficiently as the religious at times. I remember religion growing up challenging you to give to others and care for them, even more so when you might not want to / for others who are different. But when religion has power? That doesn't seem to be the case. The religion I see at work day to day seems far more negative, and I really don't see much objection by others who are religious, not on a religious basis.

quantified 1y ago

Religion has fucked those values. Have you seen any televangelists or megachurch preachers? Look at the grifters around the White House.

sojournerc 1y ago
Televangelists should not be your gauge of all religion or religious people
- quantified 1y ago
  I think I'm safe from that. Islam is dominated by other types, and Buddhist, Shinto, Hindu do not have ones I know of. (They might. I don't know) However, the televangelists are the influential ones, guiding the USA executive and legislative branches for a long time (hello Moral Majority).
  - sojournerc 1y ago
    Not sure where you're from but those types really are the minority (very small) of American Christians.

rogerkirkness 1y ago

Yeah I agree, there is a total absence of values from silicon valley at this point. It is no different from 1980s wall street basically.

quantified 1y ago
Possibly more money, more concentrated money?

King-Aaron 1y ago

People broadly do still learn and hold good values, for the most part. I would wager an upbringing on Star Trek will give you a far better moral compass than ANY religion would. Unfortunately what you're identifying here is the effects of unchained capitalism which demands more and more while returning less and less, as it's core function. It is fundamentally unsustainable and the effects you're highlighting here (fracturing of family, fracturing of community) is the result of that pressure.

duxup 1y ago

Maybe, but I'm not so sure, the religious right in the US is happy to cut funds to help care for god's children ... they seem more interested in imposing their religion on others via law than evangelizing or even loving others. Religious history is hardly peaceful. Nobody seems to bring the hate as efficiently as the religious at times. I remember religion growing up challenging you to give to others and care for them, even more so when you might not want to / for others who are different. But when religion has power? That doesn't seem to be the case. The religion I see at work day to day seems far more negative, and I really don't see much objection by others who are religious, not on a religious basis.